@audphile1 Most of my files are from an SSD, local rather than streaming. I prefer Manic Moose to Roon where sound is concerned. Actually my point of comparison comes from live venues. Hearing music in a good sounding concert hall. This is where I can zone in to hear each instrument or take in everything as a whole.
Placing Instrument Separation of Large Ensembles in Recordings
I have noticed that my stereo presents solo piano recordings with more realism and impact than any others. And that’s great but I can’t just listen to piano all of the time. I will say that I have mostly zero objections to other chamber music ensemble recordings, regardless of their instrumentation. But when it comes to orchestral recordings, it seems to be all over the place. Some recordings sound like the orchestra has been divided into blocks and fitted together. So that might entail a block consisting of double basses, tympani and bassoons fitted with a block consisting of cellos, French horns and percussion, etc… In this scenario, it’s hard to differentiate instrument separation within those blocks. Some recordings sound like sections of the orchestra are divided from the center and then segmented outwards. Other recordings sound as though microphone placement is done according to their respective sections, first violins, second violins, violas, cellos, double basses, etc… And to me, this makes the most sense however it’s still sometimes difficult to make out what’s what. So is it my equipment, or is it the quality of the microphones and their placement? I will say that I find some orchestral recordings to be very good in this regard, i.e. mostly 128 cycle DSD downloads. While others make me think of sitting on the DC Beltway during rush hour. (No I don’t live in the District of Columbia). To a large degree, my thought is that this is normal and that different recording techniques will render different results. It’s simple to realize that newer recordings will have a technical advantage over older recordings. Though I have heard early stereo recordings (i.e. RCA Living Stereo) that were remastered and they sounded remarkable. Anyway, I’d appreciate input from others on this matter. Thanks!
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@audphile1 I don't have warm components. The post should pertain to the inconsistencies regarding orchestral recordings. Some are great, some are poor and there's a lot in between. Here's a list of my components; Ayre QB9 Twenty DAC. Bryston BDP 3 renderer, ASR Emitter II Exclusive amp, Quad 2912 ESL's, Hi Diamond speaker and interconnect cables, Wire World USB cables, PS Audio line conditioner Akiko tuning sticks, etc.. |
@onhwy61 What you’re saying makes the most sense. I’m just surprised that there is such a difference between how ensembles are mic’d and that recording engineers don’t recognize the lack of separation themselves. |
@bdp24 Thanks, is there a website URL for ARK recordings? I looked but I’m not finding what I think you’re referring to. |
@pwerahera Alright, you don’t hear what I hear. But I have to wonder how much ear training you’ve invested in? And whether you grew up attending concert halls to hear large orchestras, vocal recitals, chamber groups? I am around professional musicians on a regular basis. I had family members that were soloists with major orchestras. Telling me that I am naive and that I don’t know what I’m hearing as absurd. |
@mahler123 I am using an ISO Regen that has been an asset to the digital front end of my stereo. |
@mahler123 I’ve had this system in three different environments and only needed to treat one of them. Currently, I really have no need for treatments but may consider some things just out of curiosity. The biggest advantage has been carpet under the speakers but these large electrostatic speakers are very forgiving. |
@mahler123 Sorry I confused your post with jdub39. The frequency range of the Quads are 32Hz-21kHz(16dB) 28Hz-21kHz (useable). And I've never been a fan of adding a subwoofer to an electrostatic speaker but if I did, I can see where a DSP would help with tuning and adjusting the timing of the sub woofer. Anyway, not sure what DSP would be suitable for a 50,000 plus dollar stereo but it can't be inexpensive and I'd want to try using it before making the purchase. Thanks for your suggestion. |
@mahler123 I will then stay open to adding a sub at some point. Unfortunately right now, the amount of space is limited not to mention the cost involved. I never understood why people add only one sub when they use two speakers. |