Pink Floyd and Weed


Really enjoying some Pink Floyd, the Division Bell. Hi-Res download from my PC to my DAC. Anyway, listening to my headphones and noticing way less bass than through my main speakers, nothing I can adjust. My headphone playback is through a modified Musical Fidelity Amp going to a set of Sennheiser HD600 phones, is it the headphones or the amp sucking the bass life out of the music?

If necessary, I can replace the headphones or the amp, but not both.

Thanks!


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I currently do not have Roon. I have heard quite a bit about Roon, but never researched it and am not sure what it is/does? I do play back my hi-res download files from my PC using an app called J-River Media Center. Right now I have J-River configured as pass-through, making zero changes to the digital file's. My Streamer is Roon Ready, not sure what that means either?

What is Roon and what is Roon Ready, anyone?
stringreen, thanks! I did not consider a different set of phones, I tried a friends set of Cardas in-ear phones and there was more bass but they did not have near the clarity of my HD600's.

So, what this tells me is exactly what you observed, at the extremes, (mostly the bass) the HD600's truncate. I really like the sound of them, but am left wondering if there is a more full range option that can still hold on to that clarity/airiness that the Sennheiser's  possess while producing that wanted bass? I am concerned it may be cost prohibitive to best the HD600's. Thanks again!  
arafiq, thank you! I looked at the QS on-line and it is one impressive looking amp. I need to research where to obtain one where I can "buy and try", just in case it does not work out for me. Is there any low level buzz from the tubes? Also, I noticed it does not have audio pass-through, I kind of need the pass-through because my main amp does not have a pre-amp output or tape loop, so I am using the pass-through of my MF amp to connect to my PC speakers. Based on your feedback, as well as from others, I'll hold on to my HD600's for now. 

I really appreciate your help and suggestion!
I modified the amp with a kit I found on-line. Basically, new caps throughout, a new BB op-amp, new volume pot, etc. The amp has way more than enough power for the headphones, at around the midpoint in the volume range it is too loud to listen to.

I tried the headphones on a PC with a dedicated sound card and I was able to adjust the bass, the results were surprising in that there was a great deal more bass but for some reason it just did not sound right.

Thanks!
Thinking my lack of bass issue may be due to my current headphone amp, I am wondering if anyone could suggest an amp that works well with Sennheiser HD600 headphones? I am thinking maybe even tubes?

I would appreciate your suggestions, something around the $1500 range or less.

Thanks!
Sativa. Strain is called Peanut Butter, born in Detroit.

Anyway, what might you think about my headphone playback conundrum? Is it the phones or the amp? What might you suggest for good bass reproduction?

Thanks!
I appreciate your suggestion -thanks. I'll try them through my PC and see if I can adjust the bass. Maybe the problem is my amp?

I really like the "sound" of my HD600's, just missing the bass!


Hi,
Through my main speakers I hear all the bass, so I think my PC is fine. I built the PC myself and have it connected to my system via USB and am very happy with the SQ. After digesting some of the feedback I have received, I am beginning to think the problem may be with the headphone amp??

Hi stringreen,
Thanks for the tip regarding the Grado! I myself prefer over the ear phones. I tried a nice set of Cardas in ear phones and found them to be a bit heavy and not quite as comfortable as over the ear phones. What I like about the HD600's is that they are very comfortable, but they are also a open-back design and do not block environmental noise. If I were to look at obtaining a new set of phones, I would be looking for something over the ear, but I think I might try a new amp first. What do you think?
Hi,
My main system Amp has no pre-outs or tape loop, but I think it's possible to convert one of it's single ended inputs to something called pass-through for HT use, whatever that means?? Right now my streamer has two outputs, one balanced going directly to my main amp and the other, single ended, going directly to my headphone amp. I am very interested in the Quick Silver headphone amp but I noticed it does not have a pass-through output which I need for my PC speakers. I guess I need to research my Amp to see how to configure one of it's inputs to pass-through, that would fix my issue and make the Quick Silver viable.
bluemoodriver,
Thank you for the detailed description of Roon, sounds like a nice enhancement to the overall listening experience, I will check into it!

russashe,
Found David Gilmour Live at Pompeii on Spotify, listening to it now, what a blast, thanks for the recommendation! Listening to Spotify, I eliminate the USB cable and go strait from my network via a Cat7 cable directly into my streamer from my gateway. In the Spotify App, it shows all of the devices on my network and I just select my streamer and I'm off to the races.

Back to headphones. I found there to be similar results with respect to the overall lack of the bass registers. I connected my HD600's to the headphone output of my SACD player and my HT system, in all cases the bottom end seemed to be truncated, across all devices. However, even with the lack of bass, the HD600's sound great.

Back to the concert! 
russashe,
The HD600's are wired correctly, the connectors on them are keyed in a way, one large and one small pin on each connector, you would have to use quite a bit of force to wire them out of phase.
I have fumbled a bit with J-River and am concerned I'll mess things up if I am not careful. I am using Media Center 23. It sounds like you have a more in-depth understanding of J-River. Any way you could share something like a fault tree that can get me to these settings? Anyone out there with J-River that might be able to help? Thanks!
russashe,
The bass through my HD600's is light on everything. Through my main speakers everything is fine and it's not just the Floyd recording.

I have printed out your navigation instructions for J-River, I really like the app and what it can do. I'll be trying your suggestions with it right after this post, many thanks!
Hi,
Adjusting the equalizer in J-River did the trick, many thanks! At some point I think I would like to invest in a new headphone amp, with the Quicksilver high on my list.

Happy listening!