Phase and time alligned speakers


Preservation of coherent properties of the sound field, specifically phase and time, is a design goal for many speakers. I conclude, therefore, that the less dispersion the signal sees along its path, the better the speakers will sound.

I am looking for an understanding of what properties electronics and cable should have in order to maximize the benefits of phase and time alligned speaker designs. The above is my own first attempt to think the problem through.

Thanks.
judit
Your first paragraph is like an abstract for an MIT white paper. Check out MIT's web site under "technology".
Judith, please don't make the mistake of interchanging phase issues in ELECTRICAL paths (wires)with those of MECHANICAL/ACOUSTIC transducers in AIR!
I'm getting a bit above MY depth here, too, but some wire manufacturers would have you believe that their constructions somehow are as important or effective as getting lowest phase (and group delay) in speaker/room loading. Watch out! Copper is NOT air!
Judit,
It's good that you are asking the question in an engineering context. As stated, your question is too broad for a simple answer, but I suggest that you pose a similar question on one or more of the specialty forums at Audio Asylum (speakers, cables, amps), where it should generate more in depth technical discussion.
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Viridian,

Quads and Vandersteens are the speakers I had in mind. Your answer makes sense to me ... that electronics and cables preserve phase information far better than loudspeakers are able to.
Judit, Quads like any fullrange electrostat or any fullrange single-driver cone speaker, are inherently time aligned. The phase alignment has to do directly with the phase shift that may occur in the single drive element. The advantages of these types of speakers goes beyond the time and phase characteristics, and into speed and coherence. Disadvantages may include narrow dispersion and intermod distortions, and possibly limited low frequency extension.

Multi-driver systems may use different techniques to create time and phase alignments, but are inherently hampered by the multiple drivers themselves. They try to simulate point source sound, but never really achieve it. In addition, the crossovers and additional drivers create as many or more problems than they solve. Advantages may include wide frequency extension, lower intermod distortion, and possibly higher power handling and SPL. Disadvantages would include crossover distortion, driver matching and overlap problems, and lack of the point source radiation pattern that they seek to simulate.

Much depends upon the system and goals you wish to achieve, and your particular sensitivity to these various disadvantages of each type. Picking the faults that you can live with is as important as picking the strong points. Nothing is perfect, and compromise is going to happen with all designs. The sound is the final arbiter, and designs are simply ways to get there. You must pick your poison.

As far as electronics matching up with these speakers, unfortunately, there is a hodge-podge approach to this in audio today. Components are designed to work with a wide range of other components, and cannot take individual speaker characteristics into account. This leads to the inevitable "synergy" discussions about what amp is best for what speaker. Some basic guidelines can help, but auditioning is really the only solution.

With the present situation, all distortions in the system will add together to give a total system distortion, as well as the same result in total system phase linearity. Some work is being done in distortion cancelling "synergy", but this is very strictly limited to certain amps and speakers that are not "mainstream" products. At least, not yet.
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All speakers will benefit from a more perfect signal. Phase and time correct speakers are no different. Feed them a good signal through good electronics and wire and you will be justly rewarded.
For a good read, visit the Audio Perfectionist Journal. Richard Hardesty believes in this design. Also, read watchdog #13 at the same sight. Fried discusses time and phase coherent speakers. I agree with what he says. I've been using this type of design and found it to be a very good thing. I have been ultimately disappointed by other designs. They start off well but then you begin to miss something.
Time and phase speakers I feel are misunderstood. One, we are talking acoustical phase which affects time(and visa versa) Two, they are very hard to design properly. Three, they have complex crossovers to achieve the design goals contrary to what some would have you believe is a single cap. Four, they are MORE costly to build. Five, they DO require a more complex setup. This is the most important aspect really. It makes or breaks the speaker.
Most dealers don't have a clue to how to set them up or don't want to take the time. You can't just slap them in any old spot like a lot of other speakers and expect decent sound. It want happen.
Once I was exposed to this design, I want being going back. They will perform adequately without the best electronics but will reward you if you can afford the best. Just make sure they are set up properly.
Marty...most speakers...operating as such in the time domain...are poor instruments...but then again...not every time and phase correct speaker has "blown my hair back"...Vandersteen,Meadowlark,etc are good speakers...but to me..their shortcomings have more to do with LF extension(or lack of it)...and in this regard...at their prospective price point...they are no different than many other designs...
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