Peter Lederman in Second Bout With COVID-19

noromance,

Well, thanks. I did not expect it.

For the record, in this particular thread, I curbed myself. It was not my intention to be sarcastic, but rather informational (taking and giving) and respectful of Mr. Ledermann.

theaudiotweak,

Mr. Ledermann has implied that he would like to put this thread to rest. At least that is how I understood it.

Why not respect his intentions about the thread started for him?

As far as the drug you are advertising goes, please take it to some other venue where minutia of cytokine storm treatment can be discussed ad nauseam with more people who have actually seen one.

Maybe it is just a bit advanced.

Thank you. Too interesting. This should really be published as a case report and more. For really good reason.

Now, that is level-headed response by Dr. DL. It does not make some things about confirmation clear, though. There is also something called MIS-A. Hopefully, this case has been reported to the vaccine manufacturer, or whoever is keeping eyes on long-term effects. If the people from the hospital published it as a case report, it might help someone down the line.

viber6,

You have an interesting concept of dying. Out of curiosity, was Dr. Guay taking testosterone supplements?

Mr. Ledermann,

Your few posts might have done more for sobering up on this website than a number of CDC, FDA, and whatever else links over the last year. Thank you for that.

Just remember, slow and steady wins the race. It is much easier to trip when running, Take it easy and slow.

aj523,

Thanks for the link. I was going by current rules in Israel which. mostly, seem to be on the level that some places in the U.S.A. have been on from many months ago. Israel seems to have had much stricter rules prior to that so it is a relative loosening, but to levels still much stricter than 2019. Just like everyone else, I am waiting to see how their experiment will turn out to be, once they loosen it up to 2019 level.

"...they are partying like it’s 2019..."

Not quite yet. More like New York City in October 2020.

Covid-19 Guidance | Ministry of Health (www.gov.il)

viber6,

"I don't want to convert this thread into extended medical discussions when the purpose is to wish Peter well and help in his recovery."

I cannot agree more.

(that is why I did not comment on your specific approach)

viber6,

"...the foremost role of vitamin D in suppressing inflammation and the severe cytokine storm of serious covid illness."

Do not put all your eggs in one basket.

retipper,

Is it ok to assume that this second bout was also confirmed by a PCR test?

In any case, we are all rooting for your speedy recovery.

Not fair, I have empathy.

"is there a chance the vaccine caused the clots?"

Clots are very common in COVID. They show up in many people and may be responsible for some of the more unfortunate outcomes. Clots after the vaccine are probably a few zebras lost among all the horses running around the world.

Hang in there. Best of luck to both of you.

Life is an expensive project.

jjss49,

"peter is telling everyone to shut up..."

Is that really true?

"He is going to be setting up a website for long haulers testing and therapies with a 100 different doctors involved."

There may not be much need for that. Many of the hospitals, hopefully around your area included, have Long-COVID clinics that take care of that.

theaudiotweak,

"What's a recult?"

Wrong finger on the wrong key. It was meant to be "results".

lewm explained the process very nicely and simply. We all hope that everything is the way you already see it, but there is not much ground for that optimism right now. It may be that the drug is safe, as in not having very bad side effects, but efficacy seems to be missing at this point in time. Even the fact that the president of Phillipines "got better" after one dose means virtually nothing for anyone but him. There are many more factors that may be at play so holding onto this particular straw is not much more than desperate wishful thinking. Relax, let the things settle and run their course. The company is trying to make money off of something they invested time and effort in. It just happens that it has not made a splash in any application quite yet, and maybe never will. It happens daily. It may be more common than success stories.

I would not hold my breath for those recults. So far, it appears very unpromising.

"CytoDyn believes four weeks of leronlimab treatment to be sufficient to calm the cytokine storm..."

Four weeks of storm? Hmmmmm...

It is not easy to find CD12 Trial results published. Company website does not seem to help it's own case by much either...

"Amongst all patients in mITT, the primary endpoint (all-cause mortality at Day 28) was not statistically significant. When age adjustment was conducted, the primary endpoint was much closer to statistically significant value."

"With the age adjustment analysis in all other major secondary endpoints, there was consistent numerical superiority over the placebo group, with some secondary endpoints approaching statistical significance."

Ok, enough of Coronavirus.

theaudiotweak,

"Glupson there are results in the Philippines now. Why dont you look?"

I did. I looked and they are not worth much yet. The success they are claiming was 100% (without even accounting for other possible factors and very unclear what criteria "improvement" met). The sample size was.....one. If it were April 1st, you could think someone is joking.

CytoDyn Providing Leronlimab to a Philippine Hospital for 28 More COVID-19 Patients under Compassionate Special Permit (CSP) :: CytoDyn Inc. (CYDY)

Having said all of that, I am keeping fingers crossed that it actually works as advertised.

"Personally witnessed broken hips being operated on the same day. In Canada the wait can be days, weeks, months."

"For hip fracture repair, 88 per cent of Canadians were treated within the 48-hour benchmark time, while 64 per cent of B.C. patients made the target."

B.C. patients wait longer for key medical procedures than other Canadians, report suggests | CBC News

millercarbon,

Did you ever thank people in the hospital who saved your life and enabled you to continue insulting them on the Internet? Someone stayed up all night to make sure you did well. They actually risked their lives to help you. And what good did you do?

Being abusive to them is not nice while posting the link to your, in reality, worthless audio system with pride virtually every day.

Let me remind you how you felt while they worried about you...

"I was at one point on 10 liters 02, which is a lot of oxygen, and even at that out of breath and feeling like I was about 10 feet underwater. That’s just lying there. Just to roll over, adjust blankets, was an effort it took a while to recover from. How close I was to being on a vent, I don’t want to know. Too close for comfort."

What the heck?

"The Results are in. The US FDA Knows Leronlimab Saves Lives!"

And then no word about any kind of semi-legitimate result. Only pleading to let FDA know.

"...he's got some of it wrong with respect to COVID."

Some?

Covid is not the virus. Covid is the disease caused by a certain virus.

tomic601,

Well, thanks.

"Do you think maybe Peter deliberately let it be known that he expects to be on the way to recovery..."

I have no guess about that. It is hard, if not impossible, to predict how a person would react to stressful situation.

I do remember him joining one of the threads, and starting one with poetry. In neither of those did he mention his health so this time it is different.

I am only trying to point out that we do not know how Mr. Ledermann would react to our curiosity about his health status. Not everyone responds to that in the same way so I would suggest erring on the side of polite distance.

"...my only point is that we know there is a problem but we really do not know the state of affairs."

In all fairness, it is none of our business to go snooping about details of his health condition. In fact, with all the good intentions, even posting these details so far might have been a step too far.

There has not been a single person on this thread who has not wished Mr. Ledermann all the best very genuinely. Regardless of which side they stand on most of the time.

lewm,

You just wasted a lots of words. Save youself some effort.

This is what you are dealing with...

Blah blah blah yada yada whatever. FUDD: Fear Uncertainty Doubt Derision. Funny how the FUDD always no matter what winds up serving the interests of a large and callous government over the individual.

millercarbon 09-25-2020 7:18pm

That’s for sure. Tupu, the midrange magic, incredible detail, truth of timbre and dynamics gets even better with time. I took a break from all the constant tweaking and just sat back and enjoyed listening as things settle in. Last night Neil Diamond was so palpably there I had tears.

Unfortunately it will be a few days before I’m doing that again. Couldn’t catch my breath, went to urgent care, now admitted at Highline with pneumonia...

millercarbon 09-26-2020 11:17pm

Working in health care I see every day how almost all MDs are little more than rules-followers. Very few actually follow any thought process. They even say, that’s not our protocol. Which is fancy language for you have this so we give you that, never mind the reasons why. So they put me on expensive, risky, iffy remdesivir, and they will do an even more experimental transfusion. But a known cheap effective safe drug? That’s not our protocol. Morons.

Fortunately millercarbon is no moron, and bought HCQ months ago, just in case. Wife brought it in, and so I’m able to get proper meds in spite of the docs.

Not finding any rubinal. Do you mean robinul?

millercarbon

09-28-2020 1:50am

There’s a lot of anger in Australia right now after having banned HCQ from a study that was completely debunked in the UK, where a doctor actually was using OD levels of HCQ in a study. It has been completely debunked and the doctor involved was found out. Timing in the use of this drug, according to the report is more important. The bans in Australia are expiring, and with the truth now uncovered, it seems it may become used in early stages of the viral infection?!

ALL the "studies" used to discredit HCQ are rigged one way or another. But I have neither the time nor the patience nor the energy to explain all this, certainly not to this crowd of know-it-alls. Good to know at least some in Aus are figuring it out.

The gold standard treatment is 200 mg twice a day for 6 days, and taken with Azi and zinc. Mortality on this regimen is 30% lower than anything else.

millercarbon

10-17-2020 2:48pm

Its not dead, but I almost was. Nine days in hospital, multi-focal pneumonia bad enough they nearly had me on a vent. Kind of lost interest in the blather. Not the news, like your sub experience. But the blather. Which unfortunately the only thing seems capable of getting the blatherers to move along please is to leave them to their own devices. Sad. But true.

millercarbon

10-17-2020 9:34pm

I was at one point on 10 liters 02, which is a lot of oxygen, and even at that out of breath and feeling like I was about 10 feet underwater. That’s just lying there. Just to roll over, adjust blankets, was an effort it took a while to recover from. How close I was to being on a vent, I don’t want to know. Too close for comfort.

And, every cake needs icing...

millercarbon

12-13-2020 1:14pm

There is no pandemic, unless you want to talk about superstitious obedience to communist talking points. There is no pandemic, because there are no excess deaths. These are not talking points. These are the facts.

Excess deaths are just what it sounds like, more people die than normal. If there’s a pandemic then for sure there must be more people dead than normal. Whatever the cause. We can set that one aside for now. Forget how fake the testing is. Forget the exaggerated causes of death. Forget all that. If the word pandemic is to have any meaning at all it must be more people die than normal.

Well, its just not happening. And we can be certain its just not happening simply by following the money. The Social Security Administration pays benefits every month. More people die, less people collecting, less money paid out. Its pretty simple.

So you look at the graphs, and the graphs are flat. Not even a burble. There are no excess deaths. Its all fake news. Sorry. I know people have totally lost all ability to think and reason for themselves. Too bad. Don’t change the facts none.

Go figure!

"The sooner he can get out of there the better."

It took 13 lines to come up with this conclusion?

"Hospital care has taken a dive since the recruitment of hospitalists."

"You make more money with less work staying in your office. The loser is as always the Patient."

How would the patient in the hospital benefit from the doctor who can see her/him once a day and who otherwise has to take care of a stream of patients coming to her/his office in a different location? How does such a doctor focus on the patient in the hospital?

Again, fingers crossed for Mr. Soundsmith. It is hard to find a person so universally liked and appreciated.

"Latest is that it reduces the recovery time by 400%."

Something is wrong with this calculation.

Fingers crossed for Mr. Lederman.