Perfect Speaker Placement - Put next to the back wall as much as possible.

The only way to solve the problem is like this.
https://6moons.com/audioreviews/stax/stax_2.html

I own 7 headphones, 2 stax electroacoustic, 2 magneplanars. 2 dynamic one, one hybrid...

I dont listen to them for the last months anymore, my speakers wre not in their level class few months ago...
 But now rightfully embed my speakers make them not interesting, not natural, each one headphone has his own peculiar limitation...Compared to them my speakers has not these limitations anymore...

Happy New Year... 

In a perfect world your room dimensions would be 14.5 X 23.5 X 9’. That gets you the Golden Ratio in all 3 dimensions, a

If i win the loto prize it is exactly the dimension of my future audio room...

Golden tatio rule at all scale but unseen by most....

Happy New Year...

I read an article on the net some months ago about acoustics of small room.... The article is no more there where i read it... It was a discussion with 4 great well known acousticians, they speak politely, were in accord about many things but surprizingly used very different approach to similar problems and seems to disagree at some point...

I was amazed and conforted in my improvised ears listenings experiments at the times creating my own controls devices for my room...

Acoustic is a practical art, ears are needed, and any small room is a unique problem that cannot be OPTIMALLY solved most of the times by simple rule...

The proof that it is so, was for me this disagrement between these specialists very palpable in the discussion...

Alas! the article is nowhere to be found and i dont remember the names... I remember only that it was a discussion at McGill university ...

 

«A Bird's nest is not a man's house»-Anonymus Smith 

Control room acoustics are nothing like home.

Acoustic law dont change but they cannot be applied with blinders...

No small room is the same, and a small room has not the same geometry, the same topology and the same acoustical content than a larger living room...

The acoustic law dont change, for example the ratio 62 to 38 is the Golden section...This is universal from molecules to galaxies and in between corresponding to the optimal distribution of branches all along a tree trunk...But even this ratio cannot be blindly put in action without taking into account anything else...(in my square small room this ratio work)

But a Greek remarkable open amphitheater acoustic is not a closed church acoustic, same laws applied and some other laws linked to the existence of walls and ceilings, same laws but with new one and with great variations and modifications and adaptations..

In fact except some very universal laws about ratio or some reflective principle and absorbing pattern and materials functions and diffusion law in relation with geometrical patterns etc, no room ask for exactly the same treatment and controls...

Any acoustician use his ears not only an equation...Otherwise for example: how to adapt some surface or correcting some diffusive 3-d patterns to the disparate acoustical properties of the different materials in use to construct some room and building and how about the diffrent acoustic properties of the materials and fabric of the furniture?

Geometry, topology and acoustical content of materials in the room are NEVER the same for ANY room compare to others...

All object in a room impact the perception of sound.... Even small one....And dont laugh some may hear that if not you.... Anyway acoustic said so, not me....And i verified some of that in the last 2 years...

In the same way they are general rules for each kind of speakers, but none of them can be used in exactly the same way, locations, distance, if the geometry, the topology(how many windows and doors) and the acoustical content is different for each room where they will put into work...

In acoustic no one can economize or dispense with working ears....

My wife dont want to know Mike Lavigne and cannot praise enough my sound creation...She own my money tough.... 😊😁

To clarify, you guys are saying that your speakers are 38% into the room and your listening seat is also 38% into the room? This seems like it would be a nearfield setup in anything less than a 40 foot deep room...

Yes you are right... In my case i must say that owning a small room , my nearfield position at 3 feet+inches of my speakers and/or at 7 feet of them in regular position, this golden number rule of Fibonacci is perfect: 62 % ratio to 38%...

But compared to most i which own more bigger normal living room for example, my 2 positions are really almost 2 near-field one that work well one or the other, BECAUSE of this ratio in my square small room....

The difference between the 2 positions in my case, i love the 2, is a slight change in the relation between dynamic and imaging... Imaging better possible at 3 feet and dynamic better possible at 7 feet....But soundstage holographic and relatively comparable timbre and decay in the 2 positions with only an accentuation on details in nearfield and an accentuation in bass frequencies dynamic in my regular position... I love the 2 without being able to chose between the 2.... There is difference but nothing really is lacking.... A sure sign of a good acoustical setting in my case...

Then in my room the golden ratio win the game....

chilli42

Nothing will replace fun experiments with your own ears.... It takes times, it takes me 2 years to figure it out, one incremental acoustic controls or treatment , one step at a time...But we must all learn how to listen sound...Hearing sound is not listening sound...we must learn to be consciously active in listening sound...

And the method for becoming active in listening is simple: we create a modification in the room and after some listenings we decide if this is good or bad for our ears, this is called feed-back... One feed-back at a time the acoustic veiled marvel of your room reveal itself.... It is the contrary of a strip tease tough , the beautiful nude room is dressed by you one step at a time.....

How is the texture of this sound? How is his color? How is the decay? is it a flowing sound like a wave gently floating to my ears or a sound that seems a distant island? Are each instrument well placed and separated but anyway partaking the same ethereal space in my room? is the soud limited to a walk between the speakers? if so this is wrong...Etc....

All these impression will guide you to take the good choices... Experimenting is trials and errors...But any errors is only a step to a new joy...

You will be amazed someday, when listening music,you will be able to qualify the sound qualities and variations spontaneously on the spot... And the doubter simplistic mind must know that, NO, i dont have and we dont need hearing bat ears to do that....

The only rule is believing in yourself and having faith in your ears... Your room will be for your ears, not for the neighbour or for an audiophile bat omni hearing creature, but for you.... Take pleasure listening and think about the way you can change thing little by little and verify with your own measuring rod: your ears/brain/body....


I experienced the same desorientation 7 years ago as you.... I made mistakes listening to reviewers in my buying choices... No reviewers said to me that the only important factor are not the choice of costly gear, but the way we must control vibration, electrical noise level, and acoustical settings...

They all sell something and people wanted to pay without never making their homework.... But this homework is the only real joy in audiophile life It is listening experiments with low cost device to cure the 3 source of noise or of lost of S.Q. It is not only buying a beautiful new electronic design ...

It is creativity and music the never ending real joy....

Happy New Year...


« Sounds are like love, they seems illusions sometimes to some, but these illusions are the only real deal»-Anonymus

In thousand of years nobody has ever contested this mathematical fact, even trees obey it...And celestial dynamics are also obeying it...

http://article.sapub.org/10.5923.j.astronomy.20190801.02.html


38: 62 is the proportion between the shorter line and the longer one....Or 1/1.6180

For the maggies i dont know, i own box speakers, but the golden proportion has make his proof in all nature and in all the best old monastery with an extraordinary acoustic and not only greek hall...

Acoustic law dont change with speakers, but some speakers yes need precise location that cannot be the same than a box speaker.... But i an pretty sure that you can use the same golden geometry in another way with the maggies perhaps not the same % from the back or front wall but perhaps the ratio of the distance of each of the maggies speakers from the lateral wall and from each other try it with the same proportion....You must experiment...



«Why Cleopatra was so beautiful? It is only geometry brother»-Groucho Marx

«What is acoustic? A flowing silent geometry» Anonymus

Happy new year....

The acoustic properties they discuss are universal,

I think that this is right because the ratio 62% to 38% is an expression of the Golden Ratio....Then older than european civilization and well known in very ancient times and used by the Greek in acoustic...This ratio is a constant of nature not a fad of the moment...

Then the change of goal using a mixing studio or a small room for music dont change acoustic indeed....

I determined my position by listenings in regular position and in near field... Interestingly my 2 best locations respect this 38%...

My first seat near the speakers is at 38% from the front wall,,,

My second seat from the back wall is also at 38 %...

I just measured few minutes ago to verify...

In these 2 positions imaging and soundstage are holographic and near perfect...I attributed that to my embeddings controls but also i have always be conscious that optimal location for the ears exist, it is just that i never know this %....

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I determined my regular position with my ears ignoring this rule at this time...But now it is amazing that it works....Anyway even without knowing the rule it is relatively easy to spot the location with short listenings sessions....i did it...

Interesting..... A number to be remembered....You know why?

Simple...It just POP in my brain...

Because this is the value of the golden proportion, the crux of greek esthetic and acoustic and of Egyptian architecture....Rediscovered by Fibonacci in Italy just before Leonardo....

This is the reason why i suspended my copper bell resonator in the center of my room from the ceiling at the same proportion...I just realized that...

This law of acoustic is older than the Greek theater .... 😊




« Universes passes by but the golden ratio stay»- Some reincarnation of Pythagorus



«All your % is bullshit, i must pay my taxes anyway»- Groucho Marx