Perfect Path Technologies: Omega E mat

shadorne - What magnificent, fantastic sounding system do you have?  It must be great not to have to tweak your fine equipment or room to achieve the best sounding room in the world.  Let us know or shut up.

@ozzy  Oregonpapa did not purchase 30 E-mats.  He distributed the mats to other audiophiles but until he did, he tried them.  I heard his system with 6 and 12 E-Mats.  6 are plenty to accomplish a radically good improvement in a system (at least my system and those previously noted).  

He owns the Legacy Signature IIIs.  I own both the Focus and Signature IIIs.  I don't like the Aries because of its limited seating (opposite of Whispers which have a very wide sweet spot).  

I have an alternative theory concerning the Omega E-Mat effect.  It's possible that the E-Mat orients electrons or other fields in a more efficient configuration.  It takes time to orient the configuration and it takes time for disoriention to reoccur when E-Mats are removed.  Only Tim Mrock knows if this is the way it works.  

Anyone have other theories?  Anyone like my theory?

Unfortunately, my friend with the Scherzinger components will be breaking down his system as he is moving to Beverly Hills and has to build another sound room.  He is away for the next two weeks so I'm not sure if his system will be intact.  I heard the Scherzinger giga protector turned on and off and the difference is quite noticeable.  Even my sceptical engineer friend who accompanied me said to leave it on as it sounded better.

It has been my experience, as well as others who owned and since sold HFC, even their ultimate cables, that the HF cables are terrible sounding. Putting pounds of magnets in line on RCAs and A/C cables is a terrible idea and sounds just as bad. I don’t think I’ve ever heard a worse sounding cable. My friend with a formerly $850,000 high end system just removed and sold his $100,000+ stable of HF cables and replaced them with GroverHuffman cables for $3800 and kept some Nordost speaker cables.

Apparently, the Bybees  may work similar to what I suggested for the E-Mat.

As to pulling out poor sounding CDs, YES, many CDs I considered mediocre sounding are now sonically involving (the music was the reason I purchased them) with so much more information in clarity, openness and richer tonal qualities. I would say the worst sounding recordings improved the most while the best recordings improved the least. My 78s were really given a boost into their direct disc recording nature, limited primarily at the frequency extremes but providing richer tone and more dynamic swings. I can’t praise the E-Mat tweak enough after a month in my system. The SR blackbox and Atmosphere XL4 are toys compared to it. I wonder though, if the SR fuses and HFTs were required to obtain this vast improvement but I’m too lazy too remove them to test the hypothesis. Anyone out there using E-Mats with standard fuses and acoustically untreated rooms?

Just the one E-Mat over the main breaker panel has improved the picture quality (depth and color) on a Sony 940D and suprisingly, the bass and depth of a pair of ADS 600s two way speakers attached to a Yamaha CR600.  My wife and I are amused and happy to have elevated the audio of our TV so much (sounds twice as big) with just a single E-Mat over the main breaker panel.  The main audio system is located 50' away and isolated with it's own subpanel and 12" thick double walls.  

SR has a Blue duplex now?  I bought the red, then the black.  I guess blue was inevitable.  

My three black and two red duplexes are obsolete? How bad are they? I really like the sound improvement from the black duplex. The blue fuse doesn’t make the black fuse obsolete, but somewhat better. I could still live with a black fuse but I really liked the immediate improvement of the blue fuse. The difference between the colored SR fuses and colored SR duplexes do not compare to the great improvement in sound using six E-Mats.  The E-Mats are more like the difference between a stock cheap non-audiophile fuse and an SR black or blue fuse.

I installed 4 more E-Mats several days ago (paid for 12, have 10 now installed).  I doubled the direct equipment only power panel, doubled the Bit20 (with one on top and one under), doubled the EAR Acute CD player and tripled the pre/phono under.  For the first 20 minutes, I wasn't satisfied with the sound, jazz was sounding too forward and just not right.  After an hour, the sound calmed down and then I began noticing the difference.  First, the dynamics and soundstaging grew bigger.  Unusual miking of instruments on one CD had a triangle hit outside of the mix to the left of the left speaker, like it was added later.  It was always in the mix within the soundstage previously.  Separation of instruments and singers is greater.  Percussion and bass are cleaner/more detailed.  The music sounds more organic if there is such a phrase applicable to the sound.  While I could easily live with 6 E-Mats, 10 are better, just like 12 were better at Franks' place.  

The price of an early pressed RCA LS of the the Shafran Shotavovich/Schubert LP has been $1000+  I didn't think my latest CD copy made it sound so special that it was worth anywhere near that.  After the first 6 E-Mats were installed, I was thrown for a loop.  The CD sounded spectacular.  Now I can understand why the LP garners such high prices.  It's that way with the several dozen LPs and CDs I've heard since installing 10 E-Mats.  More spectacular sound from previously good recordings that did not show their true quality.  

I removed the VPI ring outerclamp soon after I got it. It dulled the sound. I kept the VPI heavyweight clamp though on my TNT VI. LPs sound better with it. More focused and solid sounding. I want to try even more elaborate clamps such as Stillpoints. I traded for a copper ring outerclamp from a Canadian manufacturer whose name I forgot. It is better than the VPI but similar overall effect except on truly warped discs. I use it on those discs where it has a marked benefit.

Frank and my LP tables are as different as night and day. His is a well tempered with associated arm, while mine is the mentioned TNT IV with an modified SME IV.

Oops, VPI TNT VI not a IV.

I have now placed 11 E-Mats in my system.  It's strange that when I placed 1 additional E-Mat after 10 under my CD player, subpanel box and power transformer, the sound became slightly muddled.  I decided to leave no.11 on top of the power transformer, with one under and now two covering the large top.  After 1 day I listened again and the muddled sound was absent; instead, replaced with even more focused sound, more of what Kedoades heard with only his 2 mats.  Amazing!  

I haven't noticed any difference on my frig or freezer, lighting or other electrical appliances.  However, both TVs exhibit much brighter pictures (at least 20%) and warmer/denser colors.  I had to adjust the brightness down to match the former custom setting on my 75" Sony TV.  I'm pending a DWP electric bill.  With all this heat, I want to see even a 5% decline from last year.

I like your big picture.  I hope you are correct.  My wife's next car is a Tesla S.  Putting an E-Mat to get 5% more mileage would be worth the cost of the mat over 5 years.  It works for my TVs with only 1 mat on the mains panel box.  Unfortunately, the audio experience is that 6 or 12 mats make a bigger improvement so I wouldn't want to buy 6 mats for my future Tesla S unless it got 25% more miles per charge.

I think Candella is referring to graphene technology.  Otherwise, I can't guess at what has been disclosed that Tesla and NASA are working on.

Once the inventor patents the technology, it becomes public knowledge. The inventor said it is easy to copy. In other words, the patent will lead to immediate theft of the product by others. I don’t recall the inventor stating that it has not been perfected yet for audio use. He’s working on a third audio tweak involving acoustic applications.

You think Rambus is a good example, how about Virnetix (VHC).  They won four court cases against Apple for infringement.  The first two cases were retried as bifurcated patents.  Apple hasn't paid yet.  They owe $1 billion including mostly punitive damages and interest.  This infringement has been occurring over almost a decade on patented military software purchased by VHC.  Apple's continuous fight goes to attempting to bankrupt VHC.  Also, Apple could just buy VHC for under $200 million and forgo the damages but they just play hard ball and have the money to do so.

Another is Mylan's Epipen.  Mylan tweaked the epipen when it's patent was running out, just slightly and received a new patent.  Since then, Adamis and Teva received approval for their generic epipen's which also tweaked the patented epipen.  Production on the former hasn't begun and the latter is in the process while there exists a significant underproduction of the patented pen by Mylan.   

These are just two examples of patents and lawsuits. 

It is possible that the E-Mat has some formulation of TC embedded in it.  No one knows what TC is either.  As previously stated, tweaks are not viewed as investments by big companies or government agencies until they are a success or are their elements are known.  We should be glad that the E-Mat wasn't sold to Sony as it could just be buried after purchase and we wouldn't get to use it.  

"Thowing stones at glass houses"  djones51, since you're so smart, why don't you buy an E-Mat and discovers its' properties. Then you can profit from Mr. Mrock's work.  You could be very rich propagating his invention to the whole world.

Mr. Mrock, I wouldn't worry about having your invention discovered anytime soon.  These posters have no intention of buying an E-Mat and discovering it's secrets (if possible).  

the carpathian says, " Composed of different materials that can easily be analyzed and duplicated."  How do you know it is a simple mat?  Go ahead and be the one who discovers the secret(s) of the Omega E-Mat.  Buy one and have it analyzed.  Good luck with that.  How do you know that once the product is sealed within the mat, it isn't transformed so as to be undiscoverable?   Maybe it is also cryogenically frozen or zapped by 2 million volts to achieve it's activity?  You and djones51 crack me up.  You two know what's best for Mr. Mrock than he does.  Go buy some E-Mats and enjoy the music.

Someone's been telling falsehoods and got caught?  Or defaming statements?  

Yes hifiman5, it's as if my custom movie settings have moved up to near vivid setting.  I moved the brightness down 20%.  My wife said to let it be slightly brighter than before with richer colors.  That also was due to only one E-Mat on the main panel box.  It covered all the main breakers which leads to two subpanels, one of which is my audio subpanel where two E-Mats reside on top of the panel.  The outdoor main panel has the E-Mat within the panel door so that no one can see it and steal it.

I'm with grannyring.  djones51 and carpathian only speculate on the negative, haven't used the E-Mat and are here to teach Mr. Mrock what's best for him economically?   That is laughable.

@tochsii I have never stated or implied I heard a blacker background to music using tweaks. I am quite specific in the changes in the sound, such as greater transient speed and wider soundstage using Stillpoints, superior image focusing using Skakti Hallographs, the eliminating the need for acoustic panel and basstraps using Synergistic Research HFTs in a live sounding room, greater dynamic contrasts, improved resolution. enhanced pace/rythym and fuller/clearer bass using Omega E-Mats (among other improvements they provide).

Blacker sound background is not one of the ways I describe my tweak improvements. Each of the stated tweaks bring a different attribute to improving the music experience in my system.

Some of these tweaks have logical explanations such as the HFTs reradiating the sound in the room from the surfaces they are attached to, or multiple levels and materials which eliminate vibration to and from equipment as the Stillpoints do.  Or as simple as a bicycle tire sandwiched between steel plates to eliminate vibration under my VPI TNT VI (Townsend Seismic Sink)  As to the unknown way some tweaks work, I don’t really care as long as they do work to substantially improve my music listening enjoyment at a reasonable cost.

I haven’t tried them under my turntable or on my speakers. However, I did place one E-Mat on top of a pair of my monoblock amps and it did not sound good even after 3 days. It covered the electronic portion rather than the transformers and tube portion of the amps.

I’d like to know how far horizontally the E-Mat is spread. Does it just radiate its effect vertically above/below its surface or does it spread horizontally beyond its’ surface dimensions?  (Note that I say surface as I have it on power panels vertically attached but penetrating from the surface of the E-Mat).

I started with 6, added 4 more, then 1, then 1.  Unless you have a lot of equipment or want to triple everything, maybe 12 would be a good start.  I heard 12 at Frank's home the first time, then thought there was a significant drop off when he removed 6.  

6 sounded great on my system, better than Frank's 6.  At 10, my system sounded more like Frank's 12.  I haven't put any on my speakers or amps.

It's system dependent.  

I have space between my devices but 3 E-Mats are magnetically attached to the two electrical panel boxes.  
It's good that the E-Mats have a horizontal dispersion pattern so that they don't have to be made larger and so that more are needed to cover larger equipment.
Only Tim would know if a double thick or double treated E-Mat has the same effective quality as two stacks E-Mats.

Hi, could you ask Tim if he thinks that doubling the thickness and doubling the treatment would be equivalent to doubling the E-Mats effect?  If it doesn't, then there's no need for a thicker E-Mat as some have suggested is possible.

Thanks Krissy.  I've been stacking them back to back, magnet side towards the equipment, so I guess that's wrong.  Also, on my large isolation transformer, I have one magnet side facing up and two on top magnet side facing down, spread rather than stacked since it would take three to cover it.  Should I change all of them to have the magnet side face away from the equipment?   And I guess I have to change the stacking protocol as well.

I don't think so.  The E-Mats don't require live power to become effective or diminish their properties without it.  I still found improvement after 3 weeks, just sitting in place.

I think about 3 weeks.  I've had them for nearly 4 weeks now and the biggest change now was the promised GroverHuffman Pharoah ICs.  That took my system to High End land this weekend after breaking them in.  Combining the two, I don't feel the need to upgrade to $60K speakers from my Legacy Focus.  I'm sorry that the E-Mats do cost a lot (4X that of the ICs) but they are not bling, but the real thing-great!

Another apparent benefit of the E-Mats, I haven't had one day or time of day where I thought the system was not sounding great.  Installing a Bryston BIT-20 three years ago eliminated most of the problem but the E-Mats appear to have totally eliminated that problem.  

Have others experienced a cessation of daily sound quality fluctuations as well?

I have one E Mat under and two spread over the top of my Bryston BIT-20 isolation transformer.  Apparently, they are incorrectly placed with the magnetic sides facing the unit but it appears to work great.

I am not looking to upgrade my Legacy Focus speakers although I had been contemplating $50-$60K speakers to replace them.  This is due to a combination of the recent upgrades to my system.  The first was the installation of a dozen Omega E-Mats.  Now, at a similar cost, I replaced my 13+ year speaker cable, my phono, CD and pre-amp ICs with GroverHuffman's new Pharoah cabling.  It's like doubling or tripling the Omega E-Mats.  Like the E-Mats, the first three items which dramatically improved were clarity, dynamics and imaging.  The sound is more open, especially the highs with more musical details and timbral enhancement.  Performances are riveting.  Many of my mono recordings which sounded boxy are now open and have rich tonal colors.  I'm talking jazz, classical and even electronic rock like Yello.  I wouldn't say that there is blacker background but there is less distortion of the signal.  Pure musical delight.  

So, if you want the possible advantages of tripling Omega E-Mats but are unsure that will equate to a big improvement over a dozen of them, try out GroverHuffman cables.  They work together synergistically.  

I had to pay for my upgraded cables so I am not receiving them as gifts just as I paid for the Omega E-Mats.  

mrs_ppt  Why did you put the E-Mats under your cars floormats?  No one has answered my question as to how far the mat effect is horizontally.  Does it spread significantly wider than the dimensions or just remain within the dimensions?

That means the 12 mats I have are interacting with each other and multiplying their effect on equipment both horizontally and vertically.  I guess the mats are benefiting equipment on the adjacent rack (equipment 1' to 3' away from mats including 2 turntables, and a cassette deck) as well as vertically between rack levels (my VPI SRS speed controller and my Alesis Masterlink).  The latter two are sandwiched between the phono/preamp, the EAR Acute CD player and below the Bryston BIT-20.  

I still haven’t moved the mats to the recommended positions with the labels facing the equipment and the doubling mats magnetized sides together. They’re working together so well as stacked and with the magnetized sides facing the equipment.

A field of electromagnetic effect.  Obviously.

So are you disputing Mrs. Mrock's assertion that the E-Mat has a very wide range (a giant field) of horizontal effect?  

I thought I would stop at 6, then 9, 10, 11, 12. I’ve stopped at 12 because I found that my new cabling seems to accomplish much of the same thing times 2 or 3 (but included speaker, pre-amp/amp IC, CD player IC and phono IC cabling) about as costly as 12 Omega E-Mats. Who knows, maybe another 6 or 12 mats would improve the sound more.

I have my remaining tube (70%+) sitting at room temperature (under 80 degrees,usually 67-75).  Will it last five years at room temperature or should I freeze it?

My cable/equipment manufacturer friend does not use any SR products but thoroughly believes in the Blue Fuse. I would guess that the fuse is about equal to a mat on the breaker box. A blue fuse is very important in amplifiers compared to an ordinary fuse. The fuse/outlet combo is a bargain. Then consider more E-Mats.

The E-Mats made a solid sound improvement after 24 hours.  The effect improved in my system up to 3 weeks.  Some of the E-Mats sounded great after initial placement (first six).  Placing the last six took more time to improve the sound, like 24 hours.  

I have no idea what's in them or how they work.  With the 30 day money back guarantee, I had no problem trying them out.  

Remember, the first one on the main power panel made an immediate noticeable and significant improvement to audio and video.

Wow, I did not have your experience.  I installed six and after one day, the system sounded great.  It sounded better as soon as I put the first six in.  Installing the last three of 12, one per day, gave me diminished sound for less than a day.  I never had worst sound after that until the third week when it stabilized at a maximum improvement (I've had them in for 2 or 3 months now).

The 12 E-Mats combined with my new Pharoah GroverHuffman cables (IC, A/C, speaker cables) are a double or triple improvement in my system making my Legacy Focus speakers sound like $50-60K resolving, dynamic speakers.  Amazing.  However, I don't think the cabling would have been so fantastic without the E-Mats.  Great synergism. 

Yes, the total retail cost of the E-Mats and Cabling was under $10K.  Much cheaper than buying new speakers.   

amg56 What if the E-Cards technology is so simple and so safe that anyone could duplicate it, or maybe just simple enough for a company like Synergistic Research? I understand that could be the reason and reticence in releasing any more information other than it works.

My friend also does something to his products, that if revealed, would be easily and cheaply duplicated so he doesn’t let anyone know, just a 60 day money back guarantee.

Just one E-Mat over the main power panel greatly improves both picture and sound. A mid-fi Yamaha CR620 receiver hooked up to the TV output (good cabling though) and a pair of ADS L620 speakers with one E-Mat resulted in deeper, more detailed bass, smoother mids and highs, more dynamic and lower apparent distortion/clearer sound ("blacker backgrounds"). So, if I were only able to buy one E-Mat, I’d place it on the main power panel.

For some reason, despite using 12 E-Mats, 3 on isolation transformer, 2 on subpanel, 3 under pre-amp/phono and 3 under CD player, the two monoblock tube amps did not have an effect.  Maybe I needed more than 2.  Also, 9 E-Mats are incorrectly placed with the printed side away from the device.  It appears to work just fine wrongly placed.  Can PPT let me know if after 3 months, if it matters or not?  

jafreeman, the two on top and one under the Bryston IT works great. My amps are custom built and the Mat’s can’t go under (stillpoints under at a triangle too small for an E-Mat, with tubes sideways (too hot to place on top) with one side for front controls (bias, volume, feedback) and only one full side. two minor sides available. The pre-amp also improved with the placing of 3 stacked mats underneath.

As to cost of A/C cables, GroverHuffman cables are affordable to those who can afford an E-Mat. Get both and double your pleasure. Otherwise, buy double the number of E-Mats.

I’m glad that right side/wrong side is not really an issue. I’m so happy with the sound improvement from the E-Mats. It’s like my removing all sound absorption/deflection paneling after using 32 tiny SR HFTs in the (large) listening room.

From what I heard at Frank's home, the more E-Mats the merrier.

Unfortunately, there are no feet/footers on my amps.  They were originally theater wall mounted horizontally into walls and gave off radiation (700+ volts).  Modified (very highly), they have only 450v. and the chassis is made out of sheet metal.  My stillpoints are located under the center and right transformers and the other under the left side of the chassis.  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pair-of-Altec-1569A-Theater-EL34-Tube-Amplifiers-Western-Electric-Era-Peerl...

My altecs are totally different using 6BG6 russian output tubes (6) which put out 125w., the transformers are 85 degrees after hours of listening, have voltage regulated design, low feedback, a pair of 3" X 7" storage caps, I mean a totally different amp other than the chassis and transformers.   So, as you can see from the photos posted on the above link, this is not a easy amp to place on the ground.

jafreeman   My amps were designed and rebuilt by Grover Huffman of GroverHuffman.com cable manufacturer.  These were extensively rebuilt with few remaining parts/connectors. 

If you have read the forum posts by Oregonpapa (Frank), you would see that for a few hundred dollars, he took a Pioneer DV-05 1998 DVD player with dual lasers, installed six superior capacitors, with a high end A/C cable and voila! trounced his $10K Audio Research CD player which was broken and required a $2K repair. 

Also, Grover's Dynaco ST70 remodel changes the tap for power from the transformers (voltage regulated instead of ultralinear), installs typical mods like solid state rectification (kept the tube for warm up purposes) installed new huge storage capacitor and the same thing, a very superior, high current tube amp that drives bass down to the 20s and with tremendous punch and resolution, more open and extended highs.  It's a smaller version of the Altec amps but not as highly resolving or powerful.  It can drive Frank's Signature IIIs superbly as it does mine at my home.  Again, about a $400-$500 retrofit including new IC connections and speaker terminals, IEC A/C connector.  

Let’s figure 100 E-Mats at $600/ea That totals $60,000 So this The Gate could be priced at $15,000 and save space and $45,000. I’m not that well heeled to afford this tweak. On the other hand, if it were reasonably priced at $5,000, PP wouldn’t be selling any more TC or E-Mats for the above average audiophile.

Oregonpapa and I both appreciate the music before the sound.  I have 7,000 78s and 1000's of CDs of historic pre-LP recordings which have fabulous performances.  With great remastering, the CDs present these recordings as dynamic and tonally rich, lacking in frequency extension and high resolution.  But there is so much musical performance enjoyment to be gained.  No rock or heavy metal,etc. from these recordings though.  One has to enjoy classical, jazz or pre-rock pop to enjoy this music.