please forgive me, if powercords change the things such a magnitude that you describe, it means something quite wrong with your setups! The best cable or wire is the one which doesn't do anything! (except pure elect. trans.) |
Puremusic and penta
I only partialy agree
Yes my setup is highly resolving one as well. I am not against powercords. I still have most of my powercords(upmarket) but I still do own in house modified manufacturers own cords and happily use sometimes. I will not go deeply details but most of the Audiogoners know that I have and had industries most spoken upmarket cords. I only retained ones that do not spoil overall sound. Even if you check my blog you will find out that I had Elrod Eps-2 Sig. together with Dcs Puccini, Boulder 810. Eps-3 Sig. with Exact Power Ep-15. I, many times, here recommended Eps-2 Sig. together with dCS Puccini.
However, any powercord is not supposed to change radicaly the way of sonic performance of particular gear.
For instance, let's take dCS as example: I could use Elrod and Purist 25th Anniversary happily, Kubala Sosna Emotion so so, Shunyata Helix Anaconda No Chance, Nordost Valhalla only 5 minutes, Acrolink Mexcel 7N-PC-7100 Mosquito sound,..........No Way! if it is a ''good cable'', it is supposed to let the gear perform full capacity and not the limit the gear.
Again if setup is good, it will be ''good'' with stock powercords. |
JFZ
I am not here to discuss how new generation Elrod cables perform. I already mentioned here what Elrod cables I had in my setup. I personly think David Elrod maybe is the most honest person in cable business. But this is not the case. I pay premium price for my gear. Let's take dCS as an example. Under normal conditions I expect premium performance from it since it is almost above 20k price range. Why should I say having after replaced its stock cord the one with price ticket above 3k( Elrod or any other)?
dCS was very bad? but having changed its powercord to Elrod new statement its class marginaly changed to perfect?
I don't know how much I spent for my setup. But I am sure cables got biggest budget and it is unfair! |
Puremusic
''In my book, there is a big difference between being happy and "No Chance". Am I interpreting your words correctly to mean that you are now agreeing that power cords can make a big difference? Or, if you are still standing by your first post, then according to it, are you saying that something is quite wrong with your setup?''
Yes some cords can make a difference but some not. In my case( all the cords I mentioned not LOAN but OWN cables) Acrolink Mexcel 7N-PC7100, Nordost Valhalla, Shunyata Anaconda, MIT Oracle AC-1 didn't work good as I expected. I tested all of them almost every component I had. I still have Acrolink Mexcel cable and recently I gave it second chance and tested with AR Ref 3 but again I had to replug it to dCS Puccini Clock! Nordost Valhalla worked best with Exact Power ep-15a but When I upgraded it to Isotek Nova, then, I sold it right away. Not the Anaconda but Python was my favorite one which did good job with Pass Labs X250.5. But again I replaced python with Anaconda when I bought Krell Evo 402 and ARC Reference 3. However, Anaconda didn't get my vote neither with Krell nor ARC.
Kubala Sosna Emotion is one of the most succesfull power cord I encountered recently. It did quite good with Krell, ARC, dCS. Second one is Purist 25th Anniversary, did work splendidly with Krell, ARC and dCS. (I already mentioned about Elrod)
But this is not point.....you may enjoy with Elrod Gold Statement powercord. Maybe it is best match with Boulder 2060. Yes it may removes another layer of noise from Ac line. But I don't need it. The guy who started this topic needs. And Already stated that Elrod is not available in Europe.So? |
Aygyro
A+ to Argyro, nice statement. Btw, you have nice setup, and have very tricky interconnect.(Stealth Indra) |
puremusic,
When I bought Krell, I knew it should be directly plugged to AC. I did exactly what factory said, but, I bought an audiophile grade 5KW line AC regulator for entire setup or the line which feeds all living room. Than I changed every fuse to audiophile grade KlangModul(german made) 16-20-32amp. I was not satisfied and changed all of thermic magnetic main circuit breakers of my home and entire building to French Made Merlingerin. (Group Schneider)
It was not enough than I made re-earth grounding of entire building.(than I changed the protection relays of the building again) Lastly, I changed wall outlets to Furutech (FT-SWS (R) Rhodium Plated Non-magnetic pure copper conductors and Carbon fiber finished front plate)in order to feed Isotek Nova and Krell Evo 402. Being honestly, I thought I could change internal wires to Oyaide Tunami bulk but decided to do so later on.
I think I have done enough for clean and uninterrupted electric.( suppose I don't have power filters and cords....)
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jfz said
''I also have used the Elrod Signature cords and many others over the years. NOTHING, however, prepared me for the diffence I heard when I inserted the Statement Gold into my system. In fact, I might even say it is the single biggest improvement I've ever made to my system.''
if a setup is ''so dependable'' to Powercord, if a powercord, no matter how expensive, perfect, ODIN or Elrod can make difference, I may say either system owner's ears are not 100 percent effectively or combination of equipments is not properly choosen. |
Regarding my last post, I do not try to tell that powercords make no difference, yes, it makes difference in positive way, but there are always trade offs. If result is a jaw dropping, or night or day, hell or paradise, then, it means something wrong(not matched) particular electronics.
Almost all of us use some powercords, expensive, cheap, gold, copper, silver based but the purpose must be only slightly changing the taste but not overall presentation. |
Puremusic,
As much as we speak, we learn something from each other I guess. Normaly, I don't speak very detailed and choose rounded words if someone asks me about a specific component and cables. The reason is doing that is everybody has own brain and ear reference. Plus, I don' hesitate to tell you that I am not a hardcore Audiophile.
However, beginning from early childhood, I have passion towards electronics. Since both is sticked to each other, that's why I am here. Plus, I do own a proaudio system and like to play as DJ. This enabled me have experience a lot. (combining Hi-End and Proaudio, specialy filters and interconnects, powercords.)
I will cut the chase short: Powercords must be last thing you may deal as long as you setup a system.
''According to what you mean by mismatch, would you agree that it's also possible to have a "mismatch" between the contaminated AC and the electronic components? If you agree that such mismatch is possible, then would you agree that it's possible to significantly improve this mismatch by reducing that contaminating noise sufficiently?''
Well, as I said, before reducing EM/RFI, we need to match electronics and speaker, then interconnects, speaker cables. You can't know what is missing or more unless you plug directly to wall with stock cords.
In addition, the voltage must come before the contaminated AC. |
