Patricia Barber and Stereophile


Has anyone listen to PB's new CD? I just purchased it, upon rave reviews. I have not owned any of her other cd's, but soon will. The recording sounds great in regards to timbre and detail. It really captures the late night club sound. And, the bass is deep!!!!! Oh, of course the music is wonderful. Although, this is not the reason for my post. My concern is that the mix is really problematic. The drum kit is at least 10 to 12 feet wide and the bass player at times sounds like he is sitting on the drummers lap. The perspective is equal to standing 3 feet in front of a drummer. At times I feel that I am on stage. In reading the review in "Stereophile" there was no mention of this strange mix. This is not the first time I have encountered obvious "objective" problems with their music review. One of their recent reviews of a new funk band, I forget their name but it is the one with the cover including a dollar bill theme, gave it 5 stars in sound. Well, a friend of mine brought it over and I listened to it. IMO the low end was as muddy as the Colorodo River in the spring. As well as the over all sound was somewhat fuzzy. Now, I don't listen to all of their reviews and honestly I only catch the few that I like, however, their credibility has been compromised. Again, I'm not talking about the subjective matters of liking the music. I talking about the overall sound quality of the recordings. Has anybody listen to these cd's, what is you perspective and how well do you feel "Stereophile" does with their music reviews? Again, overall I love the new PB cd, it just the unnaturual soundstage I am talking about.
ramstl

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Sean, with respect to my system set up, believe me it has nothing to do with my system. I do plently of live recordings and use my system to reference how accurately I have captured a band. I have taken great pains to ensure that my set up is the best it can be. I wouldn't have placed this post if the first principles of set up were wrong. Having the cymbals spread way right and way left is not accurate. The drum kit should not blanket the band. This is obviously a multi-track recording with an inaccurate sound placement of instruments. You could swap until your hearts is content and it would still be inaccurate. If it is correct, then 2000 hrs of my mastered tapes as well as the 1500 albums and 1000 other cd's that I own are wrong. Sean, listen for yourself, I'm sure you would agree. Anyway, what I'm looking for is "people who have heard this and other cd's with obvious flaws that "Stereophile" has missed the boat on."
I didn't have any issues with the bass on the PB disc. What I was referring to was another example in which Stereophile rated a disc 5 stars and it clearly was inaccurate in the bass. Again, I would have to look up the back issue for the name of the band, but refer to my first post for my reference to it. I don't have a problem with the bass in the PB disc. I would agree with the post regarding the spread sounding like 2 people drumming. However, it doesn't sould like two kits, it sounds like someone playing the high hat far right and removed from the rest of the kit. Also, on the first track the piano wanders from left to right in corelation with upper and lower keys. Again, this is clearly not a recording made to sound like real players in real space. IMO, this recording sounds like it is close mic'ed and then pasted to right, left or both channels without any regard to natural placement of instruments. With respects to Jim Anderson, the sound engineer, at least on this disk, he has a great ability to excite you with sound but lose you with sonic accuracy.
jademo' I have the same problem with this recording. There is a lot of overlap with instrument placement. This, IMO, is an artifact of the multi mic'd cut and paste mixing that was done by the engineer and not brought out by the Stereophile reviewer.
The other album I was referring to was the review of Robert Walter's 4th congress. Great music but not so good recording and Stereophile gave it 4 1/2 stars.