Passive sub for Magnepan 3.6r?


Intrigued by the fanatical praise for the Magnepan line, my buddies and I finally got the chance to audition same at length. The 1.6s were fairly engaging, though a bit bright to my ears, and wholly lacking in low end slam--overall there's a number of conventional dynamic speakers I'd choose for the same $$. The 3.6rs, however, truly are as awesome as their cult proclaims--they reproduce drums and vocals as well as anything I've heard and are incredibly transparent. We did an A/B comparison of the Maggies to comparably or higher-prices B&W Nautilus and Thiel floorstanders, and it was absolutely no contest--next to the Maggies, the others sounded veiled and boomy.
All that said, and with due respect to those that enjoy the 3.6rs w/o a sub, we all felt that the 3.6rs lacked bottom end impact and were, in effect, 80% of a great speaker. We then added a REL sub (as is often recommended), but still struggled with the integration--no matter how we adjusted the sub, the combo still sounded like two separate speakers, not an integrated whole.
So my question is, assuming I take the plunge, would the Maggies be better served by pairing with a passive sub? My concept, as yet untested, is that by using the same amp to power both the sub and the Maggies, I might get a less distorted, more seamless sound. While I'm sure this topic has been addressed somewhere, your informed opinions would be most appreciated.
loomisjohnson

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first of all welcome to the Maggie fan club.

If the 1.6's didn't compare to other speakers in their price range, I would like to know what amps where used? I have never heard any speaker under $2k that can touch the 1.6qr's, but you need a lot of power, such as Innersound (sorry now SandersSound) Bel Canto's or high current Parasound's.

Same for the 3.6r's which I have had forever. They have a tremendous amount of slam, if you have the right amps (and as above correctly mentions, the right room set up). I have learned after many different amps that that you need to start with a low of 600w (into 4ohms) and go up from there. I find about 1000w to be right.

I do have a sub again now (Rel B1) and it really does fill in the bottom well, but after much time and effort to place it correctly and dial in the crossover, I have it set at 39 to just take over the very low notes, and the SLAM is well, SLAMMIN.

Good luck, if you get them concentrate on the amp(s) first them think of a sub. I would start with:

Cary CAD 500 MB (my favorites)

Parasound JC-1's

Bryston 14b SST (or 7b sst's, same thing)

Sanders Sound ESL amps (all great, or the older Innersound)

there are more, but get crazy expensive, and I haven't tried many of those with the exceptions of the high powered Pass amps, which are great.