Pass Labs X-1, X2.5 preamp volume increments.


I have a xa30.5  and have been contemplating picking up a used X generation  preamp.   I think likely that particular generation  because the next is generally more than I would like to spend.   XP-10 etc.    And interestingly  the XP-10 does not have tape  in/output--- you have to go to the XP-20 to have that which will cost even more. 
  My question is quite simple and were I able to hear the pre in my system I would immediately know my answer.    I have read the manual and notice that  volume graduation is around 2 -3 db and this possibly may be inadequate when trying to volume down to a barely audible volume---such as I would need for my bedroom system.   I often keep music on into the night and turn it off at some point in the early am.   It would not be an issue in the main system because essentially just dont play at barely audible levels so I may still go for one if there are reports of a less than ideal volume range.    Do those who have used the X-1 or X-2.5 find the volume  control lacking in incremental  attenuation?      I do notice that many preamps in the $4 to $6k range often have  volume increments of   .5db..   Some ,  I forget which,  possibly BAT actually will have .5db at the lower end of the spectrum and when going up to higher volume will increase  1-2 db .  
Appreciate any experience others have had regarding this.
   Skip
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Hi there skiroe,
I recently owned two Pass .5 series amps (X150.5 and XA30.5) used with an X1. My sources have max outputs in a range of 2V (RCA) to 4.5V (XLR), while speaker efficiency was 91dB (nominal).
In this setup, volume increments were borderline too loud even at the setting of "1" - meaning that I and my wife probably could not sleep to the music. But it could still be considered low volume listening, and it worked in my setup. Make sure you use the "low gain" setting for the X1, which has lower noise floor in any event.
Because of the efficiency of the speakers, I had to step down the Ono’s output so that I could get a decent range of volume adjustment. If you have a way to do this with your sources, it should not be a problem. If you have less efficient speakers, you could get better results than I did.
I did try the XP-10, and have since moved on to the INT-30A. Both of these offer a much greater range of volume steps than the X1, which I appreciate.
In addition to the loss of the tape loop, you will lose the "mono" output, a sense of fuller bass, and less warmth with the XP-10 vs. the X1. You will gain increased transparency, speed, lower noise floor, and remote control ergonomics moving to the XP-10.
If you have a system or sources that tend towards thin or bright, the X1 will likely be a good choice. If you have sources that are warm or might benefit from a little energy, the XP-10 will likely be a better match. If your system is pretty neutral, either would likely work well.
Also speak to Kent English at Pass.
Sorry, "Ono" is the Pass Aleph Ono, their first phono stage. I stepped down the output voltage to about 2V, and that gave me a workable volume adjustment range, while still being above the unit's noise floor.
Re: passive preamps. I have used TVCs and resistor-based, and indeed, with digital sources, there was a noticeable flatness to the sound. With all of my phono stages however, this was not the case - analog had intact dynamics with either passive or active preamp stages.
The passive preamp stage in the INT-30A does not suffer from any loss of liveliness, so I would not assume that passive preamps will generally sound less lively.
George, I think you misunderstood my post.
It was the digital sources that lacked drive with certain passives; these same digital sources do have plenty of drive with the INT-30A. All of my phono stages worked fine with passives, Pass Labs Ono or otherwise.
But again, the moral of the story is you can't generalize about passive vs. active preamps, you just have to try.