Overshadowed by bandmates


I was listening to "Real Time" a live CD by Richard LLoyd, the "other" guitarist to Tom Verlaine in Television. It occurred to me that, while I like Verlaine's style, I ultimately prefer Lloyd's playing. I just didn't really appreciate it till he left the band and crawled out from Verlaine's shadow. This got me thinking. Until he left to start World Party, Karl Wallinger was obscured by Mike Scott while they were bandmates in The Waterboys. Now, I'll take Wallinger over Scott.

Some would say George Harrison suffered this fate, too. I think he was overshadowed by Lennon/Macca for many fans until "All Things Must Pass" and "Bangladesh". Any others come to mind?
martykl

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Loomis,

Glad you like Lloyd's playing - didn't think this was so bizarre, though. Great players/singers/writers overlooked 'cause they're sidemen behind a frontman. Happens a lot.

F'rinstance, Gawdbless' choice could have been David Knopfler. Who knew he could write songs (okay, so they sound suspiciously like his brother's) 'til he left Dire Straits. Speaking of overlooked brothers, I'd argue that Dave Davies' playing with the Kinks was underappreciated because Ray got the ink.

Similarly, Jeff Tweedy was often overshadowed by Jay Ferrar in Uncle Tupelo. Tweedy broke out in Wilco, where Jay Bennett was (probably still is) underappreciated. Brian Henneman (sic?), was the anonymous guitar tech in Uncle Tupelo, but his band Bottle Rockets is worth checking out. Naturally, Henneman's brother penned one of that band's best tunes "Waitin' On a Train".
(I guess I could have asked about overshadowed brothers!)

The phenomenon is sufficiently common that I was wondering if people were going to list names I hadn't considered. This crowd often points out interesting stuff and I've definitely made some discoveries courtesy of responses to questions like this one. I usually start threads with the intent of picking the brains of the 'goners. Might sound like a longshot, but I've done okay.

Marty
Plus one for Chris Hillman. Also really love the Souther, Hillman, Furay band. Kinda like Little Village, a supergroup that never gained traction despite great talent and a really good (better than that in the case of SHF, IMO) album.
Bdp,

I agree that the Little Village album was disappointing on first listen - largely because I had such high expectations. As noted, I'm a big fan of Nick Lowe. Beyond that, I really like Ry Coder and was in the middle of a very intense John Hiatt infatuation at the time. I'd probably seen him a dozen times or so in the six or seven years prior to the LV debut release.

After several years, the LV record began to grow on me as a loose, fun, and engaging (if lightweight) collection. Very good, if not quite what I expected. As noted, the SHF record was IMO better than that.

BTW (per your earlier post), I do think we have a similar take on a lot of music. Half of your posts feel like they could have been written by me.
Good to see all the Mick Taylor love here, he definitely fits this thread, IMO. However, Ronnie Wood is a terrific player, too and - in some ways - may be a better fit for the Stones, IMO. He's got a kind of rambling, stumbling looseness to his soloing that fits the Stones perfectly, especially when they're in their drunken bar band mode. Mick may be the more accomplished player, but I think Ronnie's a great choice for that gig.

Wood's last studio album "I Feel Like Playing" is a great example. It won't be everybody's cup of tea, but I love it.