Outlet is "Open Ground" - Is There Still a Safe Way to Connect to My Audio Gear?


So typically from a wall power outlet runs a very short Nordost Power Cable to Nordost's Qb8 "power strip," and then a loom of Nordost Power Cables to my vinyl audio set up  All the Nordost cables were bought used and sound great.  Having just moved and set up everything in a new room, the nearest power outlet is "Open Ground"(!)  Without moving everything around to fit the main Power Cable length to a "Grounded" outlet, please is there a safe and best sounding way to still use this outlet to power everything?  Thanks! :-)

 

 

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@vinylfun 

It is possible what @gs5556 posted above, is possible.

Did you check the other wall outlets in the same room for Open Ground? 

If you have a multi-meter it would be easy to check without removing the outlet from the wall box. You would only need to remove the wall duplex cover plate. Set the meter to AC auto volts. Touch, contact, one test lead probe to the top or bottom of the steel metal outlet box. Insert the other test lead probe in the smaller of the two slots of one of the outlets and check for voltage If no voltage make 100% both probes age making good electrical contact. If still no voltage insert the test lead in the other, longer slot of the two and check for voltage.

If there is a safety equipment ground present you will measure 120V nominal.

Approximate age of the house?

If really old there is a chance the wiring is original and could be old cloth covered rubber insulation. Do not try to remove the outlet. Just pulling the outlet out of the wall box for a look inside could cause the brittle insulation to fall off the wires baring the two conductors.

There is a chance the in wall branch circuit wiring is only two wire. Therein no safety equipment grounding conductor present.

If that is the case, at some point in time the old worn out original 2 wire duplex receptacle was changed out and was replaced with a 3 wire  grounding type outlet.

Use your plug-in circuit tester in the bedroom outlets. What does the tester show? Open Ground?

Ground"(!)  Without moving everything around to fit the main Power Cable length to a "Grounded" outlet, please is there a safe and best sounding way to still use this outlet to power everything? 

IF there is not any grounded objects within arms length of the equipment and the floor is wood or carpeted there is not a provided path for you to receive an electrical shock through your body. What would you have done if the wall outlet was only a two wire outlet? Used a ground cheater? 

You might want to consider in the near future to hire an electrician and have a new dedicated 20A branch circuit installed for your audio system equipment. 

Also have the electrician check out the Open Ground wall outlet. If it is only a 2 wire circuit, and if the box is deep enough, he can install a GFCI duplex outlet, in place of the 3 wire grounding type outlet. If the box is not deep enough he can buy a new 2 wire duplex receptacle and install it in place of the 3 wire outlet. Or just remove the outlet and install a blank wall plate. 

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The house is 63 years old.  Yes, the "Open Ground" duplex outlet was identified with a three prong plug-in outlet tester, before I opened it up.  Inside there are only two sets of two wires for the two outlets; the wires are cloth and rubber covered.  There is no ground wire 

63 years old, 1962... I imagine the branch circuit wiring is cloth covered NM, Romex. Though going from memory, the two conductor where insulated with TW thermal plastic, PVC insulation. 

It is possible, because of local Fire Codes, Electrical Codes, AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction) in your city required houses back then to be wired using BX, steel armored cable. (In 1962 the steel armor was not used as an equipment grounding conductor,) In 1962 it may have still had cloth covered rubber insulation covering the bare conductors.

 

Yes, the "Open Ground" duplex outlet was identified with a three prong plug-in outlet tester, before I opened it up.  Inside there are only two sets of two wires for the two outlets;

That indicates a convenience outlet branch circuit. More than likely a 15A circuit. The outlet terminals were used for feed through in and out circuit through the box. Good chance there are several wall outlets, and possibly ceiling lights on the circuit.

Shut off the breaker at the panel and check what is dead. Identify with a piece of tape or a post-it at each dead wall outlet.

Turn back on the breaker and check the wall outlets for a ground with your plug-in tester. Upstream, (toward the electrical panel), from the one for your audio equipment may show there is a ground. Down stream will show an Open Ground.

If it is BX don’t assume the integrity of the safety equipment ground. Good chance it will fail in the event of a Hot to ground fault event.  Back in 1962 there were not any 120V 15A or 20A 3 wire grounding type outlets. They were only 2 wire.

 

@motown-l  said:

and realize amps, in general, should be plugged directly into the mains outlet. When I do this, I can actually feel low levels of current on the metal face plate. Pretty scary.

On the metal face plate? As in wall metal outlet face plate? A metal face plate should never be used on a 2 wire branch that uses a steel outlet box... Replace all metal wall plates with plastic or non breakable nylon plates.

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I have plugged my amp into my Panamax surge protector/power conditioner. The grounding issue was resolved.

Model? 

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@motown-l  said:

I have plugged my amp into my Panamax surge protector/power conditioner. The grounding issue was resolved.

The grounding issue was resolved.

Resolved by using the Panamax surge protector/power conditioner?

Model? 

Does it use an internal isolation power transformer?

@ecat026 Said:

This is what NEC code calls for. Had to scroll too far down for to finally reach the correct answer. You can also replace the first receptacle on the circuit with the GFCI and attach the downstream receptacles to "load" and label them per above. This will ensure each receptacle on the circuit is protected by the single GFCI. Or place the GFCI solely on the receptacle in question. 

Check my post on  

FYI,  2020 NEC 406.4 (D) (2) (a) says an old two wire receptacle can be replaced with a new 2 wire receptacle when there is not an equipment ground present. 

Would a GFCI outlet be better for his situation feeding his audio equipment? Yes... If the box is deep enough... IMO a new  20A dedicated branch circuit would be better. My bet the OP will hear a difference, for the better.  

Back in the old days some of the steel boxes used for wall outlets may not be deep enough for the installation of a GFCI duplex receptacle. (He has 4 cloth covered rubber conductors in the box as well.) The electrician he hires will check the box for fit. I am sure the electrician will know what he can do.

 

FWIW...

 

There are other options to add GFCI protection to the 2 wire convenience outlet branch circuit. One, is to install a GFCI breaker in the electrical panel. (providing the branch circuit is not part of a multiwire branch circuit.) That would also allow a 3 wire grounding type receptacle to be installed for his audio system. (Label would be required on the outlet cover plate.)  Just a guess, more than likely all the duplex outlets on the 2 wire branch circuit have 3 wire grounding type outlets installed on the 2 wire circuit. Just a guess there may be some ceiling lighting on the circuit as well.

What the OP should not do himself is mess with the old branch circuit wiring. Especially if the insulation on the wires is old cloth covered rubber. 

Best regards,

Jim

@ecat026 said:

The replacement GFCI breaker is a good alternative, if somebody manufacturers a retrofit for what is likely a 60 year old breaker box.

The OP said the house is 63 years old. (Built in 1962).  If the electrical panel is the original one, IMO, the OP should be worried more about the old panel than the non grounded outlet his audio system is plugged into, when it comes to his safety. You are correct about the GFCI breaker though. I didn’t consider the panel could still be the original one that was installed in 1962. That doesn’t say the panel was made in 1962. I could be from the late 1950s. Who knows?

As for this:

**406.4(D)(2) Non‑Grounding‑Type Receptacles.**

Where attachment to an equipment grounding conductor does not exist in the receptacle enclosure, the installation shall comply with (D)(2)(a), (b), or (c):

I looked at that this morning and thought to myself wheres the (a) ? So I pulled out my 2020 NEC code book and read 406.4 (D) (2) (a) . I seen the little triangle beside (a)... (a) was deleted in the 2020 NEC. 2017 NEC was the last code Edition allowed. The OP lives in Maryland. To date the State of Maryland.is still working under the 2020 NEC code. 

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@vinylfun 

I hope the electrical service and electrical panel in your home is not the original installed in 1962. 

As for your safety concerns using the ungrounded outlet your audio system is plugged into, you could buy one of these to feed the power to your audio system for now.

Example of:

GFCI plug-in pigtail  

More examples to choose from.

https://www.homedepot.com/b/Electrical-Electrical-Cords-Extension-Cords-GFCI-Plugs/N-5yc1vZcger

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