Taylor, I have heard this guy and his little btother Jubilee at 100 ohms. If your pre allows the adjustment, and you have a phono cable in the same league as both of these giant killers, keep dropping the impedance. |
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I mean getting. And just you Fail. |
1 year, 50 times = Fail. When calculating impedance you always add the phono cable. C'mon Fail, vinyl membership is small enough without you giving bad advice... Again... |
IMHO, the Winfield is a hot rod Jubilee. The diminishing return thing applies here, very well. Jubilee kills at the price point. The Windfield is better, sure, but at 3500, there are now more players. The choice gets a little tougher. |
Fail, the whole world is at 100 or less. You, all alone at double that. Same story different product... By the time you assemble a system, every parameter an order of magnitude in the wrong direction, explains, perhaps, why you also drive a 40 year old car... Get your ears cleaned and tested, send me the bill if you don't have coverage. We would welcome you to the same (front) page club. |
I routinely change loading with different phono cables. The differences are not subtle. Perhaps Fail can clear this up, I was pretty sure the cartridge is the only thing driving the cable? |
Right, so when was the last time you saw a 5 meter phono cable? Try one with a .25 output MC. Then we can talk about what happens in vinyl 102. I believe I can hear going too low as well as too high. This confirms Atmas measurements. |
Atmasphere, Can you, or have you, done the "ring" deal at the end of the phono lead? VS. the cart pins? Have you measured any huge differences that would have you deviate from mfgrs' recommendations regarding loading? What three syllable word is applicable to cart and cable in sum? I know I read this somewhere... I do appreciate reading about measurements that confirm my listening results. |
Duh... By ear? By utilizing the MFGRs recommended starting points? By posting for advice on audiophile forums? |
HUH? I have installed higher performing phono cables that allowed a lower input impedance. I find that very low output MCs like to see a lower load. Lots of discussion on other sites got me to try it. Makes sense. I don't recommend long phono leads with low output MCs. I guess I had better dig out the white paper(s) that explained the "cart plus cable" deal. Looks like I am just one of a few here who bothered to read it. |
Independent of length? How come some cable mfgrs change geometry at different lengths in the same model? Res, cap, and ind, are per foot or whatever measure, yes? Surely you lose more than volume (not the word I want) as length increases, particularly with so little to drive it? Like a low output MC. Cartridges that were developed AFTER Fail learned everything... Go slow and use little words please. I read the white papers, I didn't say I understood them... |
Amplitude, surely you lose more than just amplitude at longer lengths? |
OK, If you're a triplanar fan you must have something going on upstairs. Tri has explained this issue to me in person. Including the limited choices in arm wire. So what is the brand name of this pre? |
No, I am not kidding. Figured he had some other wonderful reason for the name. I wouldn't think principals of anything but garage companies would contribute here. My goof. So T is this pre in the same league as your buddy Raul's? Same performance history as your other hero Alex? Nevermind, I'll check it out myself... Meanwhile, I keep foraging for that white paper... |
I remember promising Fail entertainment value... T, don't mess with my Triplanar buddies... |
Thank You J. The whole idea behind these forums T is to assist folks like you in getting up to speed. Thanks to you again, J. |
I can defer to J and Atmas for now... And the Hagerman guy too! |
Boy oh boy, it is really mounting here... Wagering on the outcome of Fail vs the world... I've gotta go with the world. LOL. |
You forgot the entertainment value! Glad to see you and Raul have made up. Two peas in a pod... LOL |
