Ortofon Kontrapunkt C vs. Cadenza Bronze


I enjoyed the Kontrapunkt C for many years, but now its stylus is well-worn. I replaced it with a Cadenza Bronze, understanding that the Bronze was the closest to it, a direct descendant if you like. I think the top member of the Cadenza range, the Black, is more like a descendant of the Jubilee.

The Kontrapunkt C had an amazing ability to make me want to keep on listening, always wanting just one more side before bed. I'm not noticing that with the Bronze, which is very good, but not addictively so.

So I'm thinking I might send the Kontrapunkt C off to VAS to get re-tipped. There is a difference in stylus between these cartridges, the older one has a "nude FG 80" and the Bronze has a "Replicant 100." Given that Steve Leung can pretty much put any kind of stylus on there, what do you think I should order up? My feeling is to ask for whatever is closest to the original, if I am to re-create what I loved about it before.

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I used to own the Kontrapunkt "c" and later owned 2 Cadenza Bronzes. I still have a Bronze. I share many of your feelings -- the Kontra seemed a bit more fun and satisfyingly musical somehow. The Bronze offers a slightly more restrained and "proper" audiophile sound. That said, their design is highly congruent (Bronze directly supersedes "c") and they still share 90%+ the same flavor of sound which you will not find in other cartridge models! This is due to sharing the same generator motor design and (IMO crucially) the tapered aluminum pipe cantilever.

What’s changed in Bronze is the Replicant vs. FG80 stylus, aluminum vs. plastic inner structure, and Acurum (gold plated copper) vs. pure silver coil wire (Kontra). I suppose there could be other minor changes that might not be documented. Hard to say what is most impactful of the listed changes, but I’d suspect the silver coil wire and plastic inner body might be more important players than the stylus?

Anyways, you can perhaps tilt the Bronze a little more into "fun" territory with phono stage matches. It’s an excellent cartridge in its own right, and remains one of my favorites. I’m listening to it on a high-end Stax setup right now! But certainly, I regret selling my Kontra "c" many years ago (it had a LOT of life left). Wish like anything I’d kept it. I still look out for one on the used market, occasionally.

In short, I would NOT seek out a retip on the Bronze to try and make it sound more like the Kontra "c". It’s kind of its own thing for a few reasons, and retipping that cantilever seems like it might degrade its integrity.

I also owned Kontra "a", a very nice little cart in its own right but man the "c" was way better. Cadenza Red is its successor, and I’d say in that case the Red is a clear improvement. That said, I think the Kontra "a" started out listing for $600 or $700, and wow that would be a stellar option if available today!

Nor would I. It is the Kontrapunkt C that is going to get a new stylus!

Oops! That's what I get for reading fast and sloppy, sorry. Yep, that's exactly what I'd do. Get the Kontra retipped and hope for the best. Whatever FG you can get. I wouldn't hang up on the difference between 70 vs. 80. Ortofon used both of these in their lineups back then.