Opening a can of worms


Here is the can filled with opinions. It's been hashed and rehashed to infinity and beyond with no clear result. Since I am a seeker of truth I'll post my thoughts here for the yea and naysayers to debate over. Question is: Are expensive speaker or any other cable in a system worth the exorbitant cost over a reasonably priced cable loom? I thought I'd  experiment myself to find out. My comparison is between Transparent Ultra cable loom and Blue Jeans cable loom on a pure stereo system comprised of Proceed PAV,  Proceed PDSD,  Krell Kav 250, Musical Fidelity A3cd, Sony Ps4300 TT and B&W 803D2 speakers. All sources were used by this experiment using identical playback material. Cables had in excess of 200 hrs burn time and all were identical in lenght. The only variation were the connector manufacturers.
One change that occurred during this 4 week long endeavor was that I'm firmly seated on the sharpest picket on the fence.
My result is that I'm now a believer that there are audible differences in cables. I also believe that these differences are minute and one has to really listen carefully and for a long time to discern these differences.
Now to the crutch of the matter, $$$$$, As we all know Transparent Cables would reside in the upper tier of Audio Cable expense.  Blue Jeans Cable on the other hand falls into the lowest tier of expense (well maybe not lowest but low nontheless )
One would think then that the Transparent would be far superior to the BJs. Not really! Yes the highs were a little cleaner, mids a little tighter and lows a tad more pronounced but not by as much as one would expect. Soundstage was somewhat more open and airy and depth was somewhat more defined with the higher priced cable but again less than one would expect. 

Now for my personal opinion regarding the cable debate: expensive cable looms are slightly better than reasonable priced looms, if a dollar equals a penny to you then by all means opt for the higher priced loom, if a penny equals a penny don't be ashamed for opting for the best you can do. The differences are so minute that it's not worth going into debt over. BOTH looms sounded superb on my test system and I would be happy with either loom.

Now let the debate begin, just know I'm a fence sitter and not in one camp or the other
gillatgh

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I also listen for a long time before making changes to understand what I am hearing and determine what changes I think should be made. These are relative to live acoustic instruments. Tone, timbre, harmonics are all on the table.
I purchased the CT GE  sc and found very good results at a very reasonable price. Do I need a loom to hear the difference? No! Is a loom a preferable configuration? Sometimes but not always. I find I very times consuming and frustrating to research, purchase and compare cables BUT I do hear significant differences in sound using any cable or ic. They all have an effect, some good, some less good, and are all system dependent. Money is an issue so I read a lot from different sources to make educated comparisons. My system has done nothing but improve over time. The results are better, cleaner sound, better soundstage, I.e., wider, deeper, taller, and closer to my particular goal of live " in the room sound" of acoustic instruments . 
@whitestix 
so you are saying you never hear any difference of any cable, fuse, capacitor, wire, or any other kind of upgrade ? Not immediately and not over time? Then you should probably own a pioneer sx 950 and a pair of pioneer speakers from the 70's because all components are essentially the same and the rest is smoke and mirrors?
I didn't miss your point and in fact you used physics to justify your point. let me say that physics cannot describe most of what we hear and neither can an EE.There are so many nuances to sound that are. Or understood at all. if you read about it you will often see statements accepting that "these things are not understood" by engineers, I have a pair of CT GE speaker cables. I moved them from where they were and rearranged them. it took four daus for them to settle back I. And sound good. you can disagree, or say there is nothing in science that can support it BUT it is the case and I can hear it. I have no reason to make this statement other than scientific observation. wire isn't wire, recordings are all different, rooms are all different, sound is always different. if you can not hear these differences, and frankly I think you can, then why would it be that big of a stretch that a cable would need 100 hours, or more, to settle in? 500 hours? Not my experience but confirmation bias isn't always true and with audiophiles who listen intently why would you assume this is NOT true? Anyway, my experiences are that everything changes sound. room treatments, wires, power cords, every little thing, makes changes. 
Greg

@kosst_amojan well, no, a scientist would actually take information, such as here about cables, and see an opportunity for new reasearch instead of pigeonhole everyone who hears differences as deluded, so no you are more of a pseudo scientist, with an attitude. That's really the difference!
@nonoise is that what it is? I am so bored with this thread. These"scientists" are more like evangelists with too much time on their hands. Ugh! Oops, was that profanity?  
@nonoise  speaking of cables and break-in, I purchased the Tekton DI's a'nd they are so transparent that I have been having fun listening to the effects of different cables( OMG NOOOOO) in my system. I first plugged in an old ZuMother power chord that I had hanging around. my wife was sitting there, I asked "which one"? She said " oh that one by far" . out came the Speltz and in went the ZuMother. she knows nothing of cost, effect, status, only what it sounds like. Need anymore explanation? Anyway, I ended up buying a pair of Cerious G's and I love them!!!! then came the Blue Fuses. I am really liking what I am hearing!! very engaging and much closer to life like! really incredible for the price and actually I haven't heard anything this good, though I will be touring the Magico facility on Dec. 3rd, with wife, so that should be interesting. she knows nothing about audiophile stuff and is therefore the perfect "test" victim. 
oh gosh, I hope I did not offend any moderators, eeeegadds.

What cables should I use with my BAT system?

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