greg22lz
@kosst_amojan well, no, a scientist would actually take information, such as here about cables, and see an opportunity for new reasearch instead of pigeonhole everyone who hears differences as deluded, so no you are more of a pseudo scientist, with an attitude. That’s really the difference!
in krosst’s defense, he is not the only pseudo scientist with an attitude. That is pretty much the trademark of pseudo scientists. Think of Lee J Cobb, Juror #2 in 12 Angry Men. "But you can’t prove it!" 😀 Having had the benefit of many years of stalking by angry pseudo scientists on a mission, I think I can safely say the only one who didn’t have an attitude was The Amazing Randi. He let his vigilantes do all the ranting and attacking. Randi himself was always a gentleman. 😬
Geoff Kait
machina dynamica
advanced audio concepts
we do artificial atoms right!
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Ah, the Crusader Rabbits are hard at work today. Let us pause and reflect.
note to self: apparently the naysayers are just being superstitious. "Superstition, ignorance, denial, disinformation, taboo..." That makes sense! 🙈 🙉 🙊
OK, it's that time again, boys and girls.
"Seeing with humility, curiosity and fresh eyes was once the main point of science. But today it is often a different story. As the scientific enterprise has been bent toward exploitation, institutionalization, hyperspecialization and new orthodoxy, it has increasingly preoccupied itself with disconnected facts in a psychological, social and ecological vacuum. So disconnected has official science become from the greater scheme of things, that it tends to deny or disregard entire domains of reality and to satisfy itself with reducing all of life and consciousness to a dead physics.
As the millennium turns, science seems in many ways to be treading the weary path of the religions it presumed to replace. Where free, dispassionate inquiry once reigned, emotions now run high in the defense of a fundamentalized "scientific truth." As anomalies mount up beneath a sea of denial, defenders of the Faith and the Kingdom cling with increasing self-righteousness to the hull of a sinking paradigm. Faced with provocative evidence of things undreamt of in their philosophy, many otherwise mature scientists revert to a kind of skeptical infantilism characterized by blind faith in the absoluteness of the familiar. Small wonder, then, that so many promising fields of inquiry remain shrouded in superstition, ignorance, denial, disinformation, taboo . . . and debunkery."
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kosst_amojan
@geoffkait
There you go again, spouting your ass-backwards BS. I’ll set you straight again...
Honda is the company that made Ferrari rethink their entire approach to quality and luxury. The Honda NSX is widely considered to be one of the best sports cars ever built. The NSX was and still is the benchmark for quality and reliability in exotic sports cars. What’s more, their sport bikes are among the best in the world.
>>>Uh, kross, did your Thorazine stash suddenly dry up? I was obviously referring to cheap Hondas. You know, since the thread has to do with relatively inexpensive cables vs very expensive ones. Duh! If you’re attempting to be the new poster boy for the reading comprehension challenged you’re doing an excellent job!. 👱🏻 Maybe you need a time-out.
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Hush your mouth! The cable debate has been going on since around 1980. Maybe longer. And it’s not about to stop now. It has legs, Baby! Witness all the cable threads. The debate whether no cables at all is better than any cables is just a subset of the cable debate. I don’t use cables and I don’t use fuses or power cords. Alas! Am I not part of the debate, too!? I can certainly imagine there will be debates about what kind of wireless is the best. See, we’re in luck! The cable debate is not going to end any time soon. Horray!
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dynaquest4 wrote,
"A smart guy once said: "When confronted with the truth, believers do not want to hear about it. They want to remain in the magical world of fantasy where they think they can hear improvements in their wire...."
An even smarter guy once said, "When confronted with the truth, non-believers do not want to hear about it. They want to remain in the magical world of fantasy where they think they cannot hear improvements in their wire..."
We call that the Backfire Effect.
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kosst_amojan
@lalitk
Are you blind or just stupid? Here’s exactly what I posted just 2 hours ago...
"Just so we’re clear, cables do sound very, very slightly different, they do NOT burn in, and you CAN measure them. Anyone saying different is just lying, scamming, or nuts."
How exactly do you get "they make no difference" out of that rather declarative statement?
My end game is to dispell the snake oil and myths a click of you are obsessed with bringing to the table. I’m here to demand you prove your silly claims with more evidence than "I hear it".
>>>>>To be fair there is - for all intents and purposes - no real difference between the language, "very very slight difference" and "no difference" in the sound. The naysayers say there are no differences OR the differences are too small to matter. You are obviously in the naysayer camp so why all the wiggling and angst? The proponents say the differences are not subtle or are quite large. You were obviously just trying to CYA. Your fake outrage is also transparent, as usual. Obvious one can measure some things, like resistance, and maybe channel separation and SNR, but not emotion, or musicality or soundstage height, things of that nature. Try to keep up with the discussion.
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Costello: Well, all I'm trying to find out is what's the guy's name on first base?
Abbott: Oh, no, no. What is on second base.
Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.
Abbott: Who's on first!
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I was once challenged to a karate fight. It was to take place on The Amazing Randi's big yatch which was going to be where the James Randi Education Fiundation (cough, cough) was having its retreat that year down in the Caribbean. I gracefully declined the invitation and suggested a stalker of mine go in my stead.
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I feel pretty comfortable saying it's probably krosst who's reporting the offending posts. |
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Intermission. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence,
Floyd: It's Liberty! He - he's hurt!
[Doc approaches Valance's body]
Floyd: It's Liberty.
Doc Willoughby: Whiskey, quick.
Person on street: Here, sir.
Doc Willoughby: [takes a drink, turns Valances body over with his foot] Dead.
[walks off]
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I am also fond of, "Perception gets in the way between reality and ourselves." In audiophile terms we are quite naive to believe what we hear is simply the result of the sum of the technical specifications of the electronics and the parameters of the room, the house AC, weather conditions, all the usual mundane audiophile jibber jabber. The great unexplored universe of perception lies beyond this vale of tears. 😢
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"The map is not the territory." That's so true! 😬
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dynaquest4
Blindjim...I suspect no one actually read that laborious, long, rambling post of yours. Please try to pre-think your responses and attempt to be succinct and concise enough that others here will actually read what you have to say.
Unless, of course, you are one of those who is the digital equivalent of one who likes to hear himself talk...in which case, you are likely very proud of yourself.
>>>>>Yeah, right. You are the model we all should follow.
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Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead, my droogies! 👁 In the never ending story. of better sound and how to find it one always finds exasperated knuckledragging angry angst ridden ruffians plotting to bring the whole juggernaut down and pervert the whole scientific process and squash the joy of discovery. Killjoys, name droppers, name callers, pill poppers, drive by shooters, pile it up, pile it up, higher, higher.
An ordinary man has no means of deliverance. Illegitimi non carborundum.
Made the scene
Week to week
Day to day
Hour to hour
The gate is straight
Deep and wide
Break on through to the other side
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ZEEO? Is that where all the aliens come from?
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itzhak1969 wrote,
"Third, It’s better to use same level of all your system cables and better of the same brand, mismatch of cables can make things worst. Forth, the most important test if the cable is right to your system is your own demo only. Let your ears to decide what is good for you."
>>>>>I suspect one might actually be better off using different brands, to allow any anomalies in say, frequency response, to average out. Just as one cannot generalize about copper and silver conductors, it depends on where they’re placed. Certainly cryogenics changes the whole cable comparison on its head as does directionality. Fortunately for the average Joe most high end cable companies pay attention to direction and Cryo their cables. Due to break in times and the issue with plugging and unplugging cables during comparisons, especially of new cables, I’d say conclusions are oft way premature and lead to many toss ups.
On a related subject, is anyone using interconnects of different brands connected in series?
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Inside every audiophile is a pro audio dude trying to get out. - Old audiophile axiom
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@czarivey But Honda is not (rpt not) best. Actually, Honda is worst. Only in the muddled mind of the cost benefit analyst is Honda best. Do you work for the Government?
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Huh? A Ferarri is not 10 times faster than a Honda. And a Lamborgini is not (rpt not) twice as fast as a Ferarri. And a Koeniggseg is not 10 Faster than a Ferrari. Different strokes for different folks. There’s something for everyone. All you can eat, Baby!
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Maybe, just maybe, your system is not revealing enough. 😛 I hate to open another can of worms but did you attach the cables in the right direction?
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