Old Amp vs. New Amp


Hi All!

I'm in search of a new amplifier and I am looking at new amps as well as older used amps.  There is some really great older gear out there for very reasonable prices, and of course the new stuff is considerably more expensive.

Is newer stuff really any better than some of the great older gear from the 90's and early 00's?

Opinions?
petrela
I would venture to guess that the used $5k amp would even surpass the P5 in capability and you would be set for a long while with the amp.

A cable conversation could take your whole life to read the history. There are some inexpensive ones that work great for many of us, but I'd suggest discussing that in another thread or by first looking at cables in some posted systems you like. Cheers,
Spencer
I have been pretty happy with the NAD C375BEE.  I think it is a very good integrated for it's price range.  I don't really have much to compare it to though.  I recently purchased a Parasound P5 pre-amp and it seems to do very nicely.  Now I'm looking for a good amp to pair it with.

So I guess what I'm pondering is...  If I spend $3000-$5000 on an amp, am I better off with a new amp in that price range, or an older amp.  Given that a 3k-5k older amp may have originally sold for about 6k-12k, it seems like the older amp may be the better choice.

As for cables, I'm not completely sold on that yet.  While I do  believe that quality cables suitable for the amount of current being applied is a must, I think that the thought of spending $1000, $5000, etc for a cable is ridiculous and most likely way overpriced and over hyped.
At about 20 years old some amps will have capacitors that will need replacing, but that usually isn't too expensive or difficult. Tube amps obviously might need retubing at almost any age, but even if you just look at inflation and depreciation, the math quickly tells you that older amps can offer tremendous value. For the same money as new "entry level" amps you can be looking at older near SOTA amps that will perform at a much higher level. Cheers,
Spencer
Okay, I have no direct experience with those brands you mentioned, but since they are top line brands, I think you'd be pretty safe with them.  My own experience with Nad is with the 326 and C356BEE.  The 356 is better at higher volumes, but when I compared it with a Parasound A21/P7 combo, the Parasounds kept their composure when the Nad was reaching its limits, and were only slightly better at lower volumes. This has made me curious about the Nad C375BEE.

Anyway, these brands are always suggesting that they've improved and have something better, but I agree that it's probably more marketing than anything else.  I am a believer in good cables, however!


The "Magazines" seem to indicate that the "New" version is better than the "Old" version, but I'm not sure if I'm buying it.

Of course magazines are reliant on advertising, and advertising is relying on selling you the "latest and greatest"
Yep, Specifically power amps such as the older Krell's, Mark Levinson, PS Audio, Moon, etc.

I have a mid 90's Acurus A250 and a 2013 NAD 375BEE and I would consider them pretty much equal.

My feelings on technology in general is that technology can be great for some things, and not so good for others.  Technology generally makes things easier, faster and cheaper to manufacture.  But when it comes to sound quality, I'm not convinced.

Tubes for example.  When solid state came around, tubes largely disappeared but eventually people figured out that Solid State can't do what tubes do.

Also, IMO, the best recordings I have ever heard are from the 60's, 70's and 80's all done on analog gear.

And then there's vinyl...
Just to make sure, you are talking about amps specifically and not receivers, right?  I only ask because I see this become a misunderstanding too often!

That said, it all depends on what 90's models you are eyeing, the 90's had big changes as some manufacturers started production in China.  Generally speaking though, a good quality amplifier from the 90's could be a viable option today.  Just remember, an amp that has 20 years under its belt could develop issues.