OK, I said it...


Just got the new turntable running this morning. Installed the Kontrapunkt B on the Rega P9; a most nerve wracking job. Well I can't find a crow and I am not yet ready to eat some, but here are my very preliminary findings based on listening to one side of two albums (one brand new, Art Blakey's "Indestructible"), one that's been on hand for a while, (Dire Straits "Communiqué"):

my greatest peeve, surface noise: way less, but still a bother on softer cuts or portions of pieces where the volume is low;
soundstage: quite incredible;
layering of instruments: quite incredible;
natural tone of the instruments: stunning;
treble: well the cymbals are back the way I like them; sharp attack and decay when hit near the centre, sharp attack and shimmering decay when hit nearer the edge;
bass: not the subwoofer-type of bass, but the overtones are more present, that is an acoustic bass has that plummy quality.

Well I am not a "convert", in the sense at looking at the experience as crossing a threshold from where you never go back. I still think that digital is better at doing silence, which is so necessary in music, and, in letting the sound of soft music come out without the anxiety of tick and pops.

So far, I have not listened to enough music to have a real hard opinion about the merits of better analog equipment. Suffice it to say that in answer to the post wondering if any progress has been made in the last twenty years, I would have to say quite a lot. This is based on a very quick, very subjective appreciation at the moment. What is the table's, what is the arm's, what is the cartridge's contribution in all this: very hard to say, and will never be known since I have no intention of playing mix and match.

Am still using the Sumiko Phono Box for the time being. The next move is a new phono section. Is there another level yet to be achieved with that upgrade? I while back I would have been extremely sceptical, now I hope there is. What bugs me, is to have to make another leap of faith.

Well, I will keep you posted. Good day.
pbb

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Well, it's nice that you are experiencing better analog. I do believe the bass and surface noise issues can be improved with minor adjustments but since I'm not familiar with your kit I'll leave that advice to others. Most certainly a thorough cleaning of your LP's will help the noise issues and a can of Gruv Glide would be a good investment, especially with winter around the corner. Also, a nice phono stage WILL make a big difference. Keep in mind that life is a leap of faith.
Patrick,

Really, honest, please take the advice of cleaning your records. The Diskwasher system is NOT going to do it. You don't necessarily need to buy a RCM but a Nitty Gritty is so cheap I would recommend going that route. The secret to using the Gruv Glide is applying the smallest amount possible. I believe the can says it will treat 150 records. I get over 300 records out of each can I use. I'm no scientist and don't have any inside information on what is in Gruv Glide but I really don't think it is permanent. I've recleaned a treated record due to a click or pop and it's affects were gone. You probably won't believe the next statement but it is true. I almost NEVER have a click or pop unless the record is obviously scratched and scratched badly. Many visible defects are absolutely silent. Proper VTA will seriously reduce what is called surface noise. That is not an issue with my table at all. Search the threads on this subject: Several folks don't use a vacuum system and wash their records like dishes followed by a distilled water rinse. Also, search Google for a DIY record cleaning machine. These are every bit as good as the commercially available units for a fraction of the price and are easy to make. Trust us. We wouldn't mislead you. Enjoy!!!

Patrick
The right channel raspy sound clearly indicates you have a setup or defective cartridge issue, Pbb. Regarding ever so slight edge warp and the associated problem with the first 1/2 inch of the recording being noisy, I have never had such a complaint in well over 30 years even with edge warp that is of questionable playable quality. The woofers pumping nervously indicate that you may have a low frequency feedback issue which requires proper isolation of the turntable. I realize that the tweaking that remains may tax your patience but stay with it to reap the rewards. It's worth repeating again that cleaning your records properly one time will remove most of your noise complaints. Honest. Good luck. You've obviously come a long way.
Try the filters as they will probably work fine. As far as the tables with suspension go, that is what I have and it's mostly immune to those problems. Alas, suspension tables have their issues too which is mostly periodic tweaking and severe sensitivity to footfalls on wooden floors. Ultimately you need a massive (heavy) dedicated stand and proper points or such to transfer energy to earth. You can probably relocate your table and make things much better. For sure, the table needs to be away from the corners. Between and behind the speakers would be a good place to start with a suspension table. Maybe yours would like to be more inline with the speakers but still between them. Minimize the woofer excursion by table placement first, and then insert the filters. Your getting there.
Hey Psych, maybe you and Sean should get together, put a linear tracking tonearm on that 1200 and take over the analog world. ;>)