OK, I made the leap...


Now that the kid is grown and gone (boo, hoo) I’ve decided it is time to get back into analog. I’ve been into this sport since; hum, ah, 1967, how ever long that is. I’ve had 500-600 albums, (I’m not going to count), that have been in storage since 1989. I know that year since that was the year my ex and I split the sheets and I managed to escape with the vinyl.
Anyway, I went to a used stereo store in Seattle today and purchased a used (old) turntable and a cheap phono pre, and I am like a kid in a candy store. I literally had not even looked at the albums since they were packed and stored years ago, in spite of moving several times. Holy crap, I’ve got a lot of good music. In spite of all the smoke and booze, I really did take good care of these albums. Yahoo. While I’m having a blast listening to my old stuff, it does not sound as good as my digital setup. There just seems to be no bottom end, and kind of a harsh top end. Sounds like an old receiver with tone controls that someone had turned the bass all the way down, and the treble all the way up.
Now for my question; how much do I have to spend on a table/arm/cart/phono pre setup to at least match what hear with my CD player? I do now, especially after listening to, and looking at what I’ve got, want to get back into vinyl, but not just as just a novelty. From what I’ve read here and other places, I should be able to have this sound as good or better that CD’s. All reasonable help/suggestions will be appreciated.
My system is as follows: (I can’t seem to make the virtual system thing work today)
Speakers: Osborn, Grand Monument Reference
Amp: Redgum RGH900
Pre amp: Consonance Reference 1.1
CD player: Sim Audio Moon Eclipse
Table: Sansui SA 4050C
Phono pre: God knows what it is.
Cables: Analysis plus, Harmonic Tech. Some other things I can’t remember.
bnc

Showing 2 responses by rushton

Bnc, I'm not going to low ball you on a recommendation. If you're serious about getting into analog at better sound quality than your Moon Eclipse, you probably ought to plan on a budget of $2500-3500, and it goes up from there.

Here's one option, you'll probably get lots of others, some at lower overall price points:

...VPI Scout Turntable with JMV 9 tonearm $1600 retail (I wouldn't hesitate to purchase this on the used market at under $1100. Also, this table can be upgraded at any later time to the Scoutmaster.) (The VPI Scoutmaster is even better, but at $2400.)

...Cartridge possibilities that work well with the VPI tonearm: Sumiko Blackbird ($750) or Dynavector DV-20Xcartridge ($525) or Grado Sonata ($500)

...Phono stage at low cost. There are several threads here you can review about inexpensively priced phono stages. More expensive phono stages will sound better, but any of the following would get you started and you could consider upgrading later on for significant improvement in sound:
Grado PH-1 ($500) or Lehmann Black Cube ($460) or Creek Audio OBH-15 ($400). All of these have switchable gain settings for MC or MM cartridges.

As with anything else audio, each of the phono stages and each of the cartridges will have it's own sonic strengths, weaknesses and character. So do the turntables/tonearms.

Buying a used VPI Scout turntable or phono stage will save you 40-50% off retail. With the VPI, buying used is a pretty safe bet, there's not much that can go wrong with them.

Good luck on your journey!
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I'm going to offer a contrarian's opinion on the record cleaning machine. I own a one (VPI HW-17) and I use it all the time. But, it is not *necessary*, imo. Convenient, yes. Necessary, no. CLEANING our LPs is necessary, but this can be done very well manually (using the Disc Doctor cleaning method, for example) without the expense of a multi-hundred dollar machine.

I'm offering this alternative viewpoint because suggesting that someone new to vinyl, or just getting back into vinyl, needs to buy an expensive RCM seems to me like a good way to scare people off from enjoying vinyl.

My recommendation to someone just getting (back) into vinyl: keep it high quality, but keep it simple. Grow from there.

Cheers.

P.S. - Sorry about the pictures. Should I stop?
The moderators would probably appreciate it. :-)