Tvad,
Yeah, I had a feeling that might be the case. If you are correct, then I'll be sticking with the Micros for the forseeable future. I cannot afford a new amp AND new speakers any time soon. |
Jmelvin,
Yes the 6moons review, as well as Mapman and others' enthusiasm here, got me to take the plunge and eventually sell my Totem Arros.
By the way, I read on another website - maybe it was Positive Feedback? - recently that John Potis, the author of that review, had passed away in December. Sad! He seemed like a good guy. He even answered a couple of emails I sent him! |
Mapman,
I spoke to John at Ohm the other day to let him know that I'd sold the Totems and would be deciding down the road which set of drivers to keep. Since you'd asked awhile ago what John did to the modified drivers, I asked him, and he said, Boosted the the treble response a bit, or words to that effect. My neurotic side is bugged by this a little: if the Ohm's are known for their neutrality, is my pair somehow now less neutral? Or is it a matter of how they play in my particular room? Anyway, that's craziness! But I will be interested to see how they sound by comparison when I put the original drivers back in.
As for trading up to the 100-S3's, John told me that the only real difference is that the bigger speaks will play four times louder and go 1/2 an octave deeper than the MWT's. John said the usual deal is to give 100% trade in value within the first 6 months of ownership if someone wants to trade up the line. I'll see... :-) |
Condocondor,
Thanks a lot for sharing your experiences. It's cool to hear other people's impressions. |
Can anybody rltell me what the recommended power wattage range is for the new 100S-3 is? I cannot find that info ok their web site. Thanks. |
Marty and Mapman,
Thanks a lot for the feedback. I am tempted by John's offer of an upgrade to the 100's at full trade-in value on the Micros. I would certainly never drive them as loud as they can go... My listening room is only about 12' by 16' with an 8 foot ceiling. But the deeper bass is tempting!
But what about my amp?? The Unico puts out 80 w/channel into 8 ohms. And that is solid state in the power section. But how so you know If that's enough "juice?". :-) |
Yes, you've basically expressed my thoughts on this. When John told me that the 100s could play "four times as loud" as the Micros, I actually laughed out loud, because in my room, the Micros can play louder than I can stand! :-) That said, as far as "nearfield" listening goes, my room configuration makes it impossible for me to sit more than 10-11 feet away from the speakers, maximum. |
Got an interesting response today from John at Ohm about driving the 100's with my 80 watt Unison Unico hybrid. He wrote:
That should be plenty of power. The 100s take about 1/2 the power of MicroWalshs for the same sound level.
There you go, straight from the boss! |
Jtwrace,
If the increased size passes the Wife Acceptance Factor, then perhaps. :-) (Actually, they're not that much larger: just 2 inches taller and 2 inches wider, as far as I can tell.) |
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Hi, loose,
Yeah, the Unico really is a honey: it's beautiful, built like the proverbial tank, and sounds very nice. I lucked out here when I got it here on Audiogon for a very good price... The seller even included two other sets of tubes, although I haven't yet gotten into "tube rolling" as of yet. I'd seen it well reviewed on the Net and grabbed it fast.
I've only owned one other amp in my life: a very old PS Audio integrated that I sold here on A'gon. So I'm not well equipped to comment learnedly on its "sound," except to say that it sounds good to me. |
Winegasman,
Good to hear! And you are happy with how the tube amp drives the speaks? There had been talk here earlier that the Ohms preferred SS gear. |
Tvad,
I think that might cross the line between WAF and GFD (Grounds For Divorce). |
There's actually a very nice tribute to him on Positive Feedback in the current issue: www.positive-feedback.com . |
Well, it appears that I am soon to be knee-deep in Ohm speakers! I ordered a pair of the 100s today from John. Really, the extent to which they are willing to work to satisfy customers is pretty remarkable! He is sending me the 100s, and told me to hang onto Micros (including both sets of drivers) until I figured out what sounded the best. Then I return what I don't want and my account is adjusted (or not) accordingly. So I have an additional three months to figure out what I want to do.
I did have the opportunity to swap out the drivers on the Micros once again and put the originals back in. After a bit of time listening, I'm not convinced that the difference between the two sets of drivers is that extraordinary. In other words, there is a difference, but it's pretty subtle. Maybe a little less sense of detail... I'm just not sure. But the original drivers certainly don't sound dull or rolled off in the high frequencies, that's for sure.
By the way, Mapman, John explained to me the difference between the two sets of drivers for the micros, the originals and the modified ones. Essentially, the tweeters that come with the 100s are manufactured to output an additional 3 dB of response over those that come with the 100s, because that is what is needed with the 100s. What John did for me was to put the tweeters from the 100s into the Micros. So, essentially, with the 100s, I will be getting the same tweeters as in the modified Micro drivers that John sent, albeit mated to the larger, inverted driver for the 100s.
I did ask him about the possibility of having excessive bass output in my small room. He said that it is much easier to attenuate excess bass response than it is to add bass after-the-fact.
I deliberately asked John to ship them toward the end of next week, since I'm going to be out of town on business for a good part of next week. Of course, as always, I'll report back here when I have some impressions to share. |
Mapman,
Given that I have more and more mismatched socks, I should have no trouble finding suitable bass attenuation devices! :-) |
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Rebbi....why don't you send for a pair and host the superbowl of radial speaker shootouts? Because taking your question seriously ;-) I'm not made of money, as they say. Plus, I'm afraid that the 100's are about the largest speakers that my significant other will tolerate in our little guest room! I mean, John's willingness to keep shipping stuff to a customer and say, take your time and ship back what you don't want... Where else are you going to get that kind of service? At least I know that if in the end I prefer the Micro's I can ship the 100's back and get the $700 difference returned from Ohm (and I'm only out the shipping). But if any other brave soul with some money to burn wants to order the speaks you've mentioned, I'd love to learn more about them, too. :-) |
Hmmm... Just looked at their website. Those Decware speakers are reasonably priced, but the audition period is only 30 days, and custom finishes are non-returnable. |
Looking forward to getting the 100's. I'm thinking I should have them in a little over a week. I'll report back after that. |
UPS says 100 S3's due to arrive on Thursday! :-) Film at 11! |
Barry,
You planning to upgrade them to the latest drivers? |
Yeah, I'm living proof! ;-) |
Speakers (100s) arrived today but got shipped to my office instead of my home as I'd asked. After hours again, just like happened with the Micro's, except fortunately this time there happened to be someone around to sign for them so they're not just left sitting in front of the building!
Anyhow, I'm out of town for the weekend, so no new speaker trials for me until Monday! *sigh* |
Well, here we go! The first installment of a shoot-out, if you will, between the Ohm Micro Walsh Tall and the Ohm 100 S3 (Series 3) speakers. This first installment will focus largely upon physical differences.
The 100's shipped in two very large boxes, weighing in at 57 pounds each.
The speakers are extremely well packed the packaging is substantially more robust than on the Micro Walsh Talls. In fact, the unpacking process reveals that the 100's are QUINTUPLE boxed that's right, there are 5 nested boxes in the packaging. Indeed, once the speakers are freed from their packaging, it becomes clear that the packaging itself is far heavier than the speaker it contains. I joked with John on the phone that UPS, their standard shipper, should be pronounced, Oops! (The box on one of my Micros was almost unbelievably mangled in transit but the speaker inside was fine.) John referred to their packaging as a sacrificial offering to UPS."
Speaking of packaging, kudos to John Strohbeen and the boys for utilizing almost 100 percent recyclable packaging materials. Other than a thin layer of styrofoam at the very bottom of the box, everything is made of corrugated or recycled paper fiber.
Unpacking tip: because one of my boxes was somewhat confusingly labeled (the shipping label on what proved to be the bottom of the box rather than the top) I had the experience of unpacking my 100's both from the top and the bottom. My tip: open the boxes from the bottom. It's not only a much easier unpack, but it's easier to keep the spacers between the nested boxes in place and reseat the empty cartons for storage.
Exterior Size: The 100's are, in cross section, 8 x 8 inches, compared to the 6 x 6 inches of the Micro Walsh Talls. They are, with the fabric caps installed, about 2 inches taller, as well. Placed side by side with the Micros, the 100's cut a far more imposing figure, really making the Micro's look, well, microscopic! But taken on their own, they're hardly gigantic, especially in the context of some of the truly behemoth-sized, high-end speakers out there. Interestingly: in terms of height, the wood cabinet of the Micro's and the 100's is exactly the same height. The taller height of the 100's is totally in the size of the cloth cap on top.
Here's the difference: take off the caps and you find that the diameter of the driver can on the Micros is about 4 3/4 inches, with a height of about 5 inches. In contrast, the driver can on the 100's is a whopping (comparatively!) 7 inches in height and diameter. Add to this the fact that there's about an extra inch of clearance between the top of the driver can and the top of the cloth cap on the 100's, and you've accounted for the difference in height.
Another few observations about the drivers. The driver can on the Micros is plain on top. The driver can on the 100's has the Ohm italic logo embossed in it. The mounting flange on the Micro drivers is bolted to the top surface of the cabinets. The mounting flange on the 100s drivers sits in a recessed channel carved into the top of the cabinet. Finally, the cap on the Micro simply rests on top of the speaker. The cap on the 100 has velcro dots on each corner which mate to velcro strips on the top of the 100's cabinet. If you look carefully, this imparts to the 100's a slightly different look than the Micros the velcro causes the caps to hover about 1/8 above the cabinet.
Fit and Finish: It's been noted here and elsewhere that the finish on the Ohm line isn't furniture grade. That may or may not be the case, but the semi-gloss, black woodgrain finish of both the Micros and the 100's looks very sharp to me. I can't vouch for the appearance of the more conventional, woodgrain finishes. There are no obvious flaws in the finish of either set of speakers.
This concludes this initial report. I'll have more to posts after some listening and break-in time. |
Everybody,
Well, although I'm not yet in a position to really offer a detailed impression of the 100s, I can definitely say that they sound great and that I'm enjoying the process of getting them set up. I'm finding that although they are not, "hard to place," they are, at least in my room, sensitive to placement. Moving them a few inches either way, closer to or farther from the rear wall, produces marked differences in soundstage and tonal balance. I'm still working with them and imagine that I will continue to do so for quite some time.
To my surprise, my pleasant surprise, their bass feels solid and controlled while not being boomy or overwhelming, even in my relatively small room. Highs are sweet and extended without being harsh, although that sense of brightness does seem to be somewhat dependent upon positioning -- I guess it has to do with how directly you are in the line of fire of the super tweeters.
Do they sound different than the Micros? Yes, indeed. My initial impression is that there is more inner detail, and that, as our friend, Mapman likes to say, "more meat on the bones."
By the way, as far as I can tell, my 80 W per channel integrated amp provides more than enough juice to make these go plenty loud. In fact, at least in my room, I can't really stand playing them much louder than about one third of the volume dial. :-)
More to come as I gain some more solid impressions... |
Thanks. I am enjoying them, although I've had precious little time to listen due to my work schedule.
I'm still trying to get them voiced optimally... Tone, balance, imaging, soundstage... And things will surely shift as they break in.
Ome thing I can say so far is that orchestral recordings sound luscious!
More to come!... |
Mapman,
Very interesting, that Potis piece. Thanks. Makes me think that even the 100's will shine further with more robust amplification, although, as I've said, they seem to sing nicely with the 80 watt Unico. |
Yeah, it's an old LP called Chick, Donald, Walter and Woodrow. A collection of Steely Dan and Chick Corea tunes done by the Woody Herman Big Band. :-) |
Here's something interesting for you guys: I sent the following email to Jim Smith, the author of the book (which I recently bought and highly recommend) called Getting Better Sound. I asked: I have a question for you.
My heart kind of sank when I read the section of your book dealing with "wide dispersion speakers." I have a pair of Ohm Walsh 100 S3's. As I'm sure you know, the Ohms have a modified "Walsh" driver with the inverted cone, damped in the back to reduce rear-wall reflections, and supplelemted with a supertweeter mounted so as to fire at a 45 degree angle into the center of the room. They really disappear into a very expansive soundstage.
Given this design and your comments on wide dispersion, I'm wondering how much of your speaker set up advice still applies.
Thanks in advance! Here's his reply: Re the Ohms, German Physiks, MBLs, etc, they all can produce a very involving sound, in part because of their uncanny soundstaging, not in spite of it.
Speakers of that class are the only ones that I know of that go beyond tone and dynamics to deliver a compelling involvement from the soundstaging. Aside from the speakers I listed, IMO, the last loudspeakers to deliver to truly deliver that experience were the Beveridges in the 70s and early 80s.
Except for some placement issues (such as separation), virtually everything else in the manual is applicable. I do think it takes some canny voicing to get the best of these, but it can be worth it.
Although their phantom imaging off-axis is more interesting, they still have the least colored response precisely in the middle seat. Even they can't repeal those laws of physics. :)
Best,
Jim Smith Food for thought, no? |
Golly, it's awfully close. The mounting flange is different, and it appears bolted on with a greater number of screws (the MW can secures with 4 bolts) but still... the mesh cover and form factor look quite close. Hmmmm..... |
Zkzpb8,
Wow, that's so cool! |
ZkZpb8, Knownothing, Aktchi,
Thanks for the support! |
Mapman,
Nice suggestion, thanks, I'll try it.
I was a trumpet player in my youth (alas!) and accumulated lots of big band jazz LP's, including miles of Maynard Ferguson in his heyday. I bet some of that stuff would sound sweet on the 100's. I also have some Buddy Rich, and an obscure but fun LP of the Woody Herman Band playing songs by Steely Dan (I'm not kidding)!
I'll report back.... |
Everybody,
Thanks so much for the good wishes. Dad is being released from the hospital to go home today. He had triple bypass. Thank God, it looks like we will get to celebrate his 87th birthday in just 8 days. He's doing very well.
Feel free to return this thread to your regularly scheduled programming. I hope to be back posting here soon. |
Another report from Ohm 100 Land...
The 100s are sounding terrific. One of my favorite "demo discs" is the LP version of Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms." "So Far Away," sounded wonderful... the thump and pluck of the guitars was enchanting. "Walk of Life" and "Why Worry," were also marvelous. Then, this morning, I had the opportunity to listen for a few minutes to some of "Promise," the LP version by Sade. What the 100s did with the opening cut, "Is It a Crime," was nothing less than jaw-dropping. I mean, this is a very highly produced, multitracked, studio recording... nothing "audiophile" about it, in the normal sense. But the effect of that "Ohm magical presentation" was really something. The track opens with a loud, raucous saxophone solo with lots of plucked electric bass and crashing drums underneath and around it, with lots of studio reverberation surrounding the whole package. The 100s really made it dance and come alive. Then suddenly, the track goes quiet and you are left with just Sade singing accompanied by leisurely chords on some sort of keyboard/organ. The organ chords reach out and envelop the room... you are just getting swept away in the music. I don't know how else to describe it. This, by the way, was one of my favorite albums when I had my old, Vandersteen 2C loudspeakers. As justifiably lauded as they are for throwing a large soundstage, they never brought this level of drama out of that album. Just marvelous.
I'm going to have a lot more time next week to play around with positioning. I'm finding this aspect of things a bit frustrating... I'm not always sure what I'm looking for. I'm not convinced that I've got my positioning optimized yet... the "phantom" center image seems a little skewed to the left... and I'm not sure I'm getting the best tonal balance out of the speakers. I will say, surprisingly, that as much as these 100s are considerably larger than the Micros, I haven't generally found them to be overly bass heavy in my listening room. They have more of what you might call "authority" than the Micros, but generally speaking they're not really "boomy." I started with them about 2 1/2 feet off the back wall, and I've gradually been inching them backwards toward the wall, because the width of the soundstage seems to bloom as I move them back. But, beyond that, I'm not sure I've got anything else quite right yet. Any speaker positioning advice any of you experts can offer will be warmly accepted! :-) |
Actually, from my conversations with John I've gotten the impression that he has been checking this thread, at least from time to time.
Those Micro Walsh SE's look sweeeeeet! Wow those are some handsome speakers! Like Parasound, I wonder if they are just an upgraded cabinet, or if the innards have also been revised?
Mapman,
I just realized that the first Emerson Lake and Palmer album (the self-titled one with the flying dove on the cover) has some real pipe organ on it. I'll have a listen! And thanks for the cranking it up tip as far as break-in is concerned. |
Hi, Gang, I wrote to John and asked: What's the deal with the new Micro Walsh SE? New cabinet only, or
changes to the driver, too? (The cat's out of the bag.) Here's what he said (reposted with his permission): Hi Steve,
A bit of both. They have a driver more like your Special version except a little recess in the sibilance range (~8kHz) plus a more aggressive SBA to give slightly deeper bass by dropping the minimum impedance to ~4ohms.
The cabinet is the big change with the rounded corners on cabinet & grill and all veneers available at the same higher $1400/pr price.
Good Listening!
John So there you have it. He also said that the Ohm website would soon be updated with all this information. By the way, the Special drivers that John sent me have the tweeter from the 100's in them, with (as I understand it) higher output than the standard Micro Walsh tweeter. |
Everybody,
I'm sorry that it's taken me such a long time to post to this thread. I've been very busy, but I also wanted to wait until I had something interesting to share. Here than, is Installment #2 of my Ohm Speaker Shootout.
I've been running and attempting to break in and optimize the positioning of the 100s for the past few weeks. It's pretty clear to me that they are not really even close to being broken in at this point. But coming out of curiosity, I disconnected them and hooked up the Micros again for a comparison.
Here's the interesting thing: it's rather amazing to me how little the Micros give up to the 100s in terms of smoothness, tonal accuracy and sound staging. True, the 100s have a somewhat fuller and more authoritative feel, particularly in the lower registers, but in spite of the substantially larger diameter of the driver in the 100s, it's pretty astonishing how much the Micros are able to capture and deliver the bulk of the essential sound of the 100s. Indeed, even in the realm of bass response, although the Micros don't have quite the power and authority of the 100s, as you would expect, there is nothing anemic about them by comparison!
I've had the house to myself for a few days, and so had a rare opportunity for some extended, late-night listening last night. (I'd forgotten how nice it is and how much it enhances the "live performance" delusion to listen with the lights off...) I broke out some vinyl that I hadn't spent time with in years. Rickie Lee Jones's self-titled debut album sounded AMAZING... as trite as this sounds, I couldn't stop listening. And Norah Jones debut album (man, that woman can sing) was glorious... the Micros really show off their coherence in the way that they render the female voice.
I also ought to comment that the 100s, visually, are a good deal more imposing looking, especially in a small room, than the Micros. (The footprint of the 100s is 9" x 9", while the footprint of the Micros is 6" x 6".) After looking at the 100s for several weeks, when you put back the Micros they look like toothpicks, almost laughably small. But man, with the right material, they really sing!
If I had to make a snap judgment right now, I might actually end up with the Micros rather than the 100s, but I'm cognizant of the fact that the Micros are currently more broken in and that they need to give the 100s more break in time.
I guess I'm posting this primarily for anybody who is thinking of putting the Micros in a small room but is worried that they'd be "giving up too much" in comparison to the 100s. As of now, I'd say, "Don't worry about it!"
More to come... |
Mapman,
I don't have any pipe organ music in my collection. Suggestions? |
My A'gon Friends,
Sorry I've been so silent here.
My dad had emergency cardiac bypass surgery on Thursday morning. He's doing well, thank God, but as you can well imagine, audio equipment has been way down on my list of priorities recently. Anyway, I'll be back an posting soon, I hope. And if you're so inclined, all prayers appreciated. |
Mapman,
Yeah, he loves music. I never thought of that for some reason. I've got Fiedler on Chesky vinyl conducting Rhapsody In Blue and American In Paris that should sound wonderful on the Ohms. And he likes light opera, too.
Oh, and while we're on that subject, anybody know of a good sounding recording of Gilbert and Sullivan's The Mikado? That's a favorite of his.
Thanks for the idea, Mapman! |
Parasound63,
Great news. The WAF of the 100's should be pretty good. At least my wife hasn't complained about them! Not the most gorgeous hunk of audio equipment you've ever seen, but hardly as overwhelming and hideous as some of what's out there! :-) |
Parasound,
I plan to have a post up by the end of the week, now that my dad is out of the woods with his surgery. I need to soon reclaim some space in the house and so either the MWT's or the 100's will be shipped back to Ohm soon. I'm hoping to do some head-to-head listening on Wednesday/Thursday, so expect a post by the weekend or sooner. |
Everybody,
I thought it might be good to explain why my final report on the Micros versus the 100s has been so delayed.
In essence, about six days after my dad was released from the hospital following successful bypass surgery, my mom fell down at home and broke her hip. So I've spent the past three weeks pretty much doing nothing except for trying to help them and all of us get through this. I'm extremely grateful that my mom seems to be coming through this successfully, and was just transferred to a rehabilitation hospital today. So things are looking up. I'm very grateful, but also exhausted, and haven't had any time to listen to music over the past few weeks.
I feel hopeful that things will finally begin to settle down into a more regular rhythm and I will be able to get back to relatively trivial matters like posting my report. ;-)
Best...
PS: I spoke with John a few days ago to tell him why I hadn't yet returned any of the merchandise that I have from Ohm. He kind of gasped and said, "What's going on with your family right now is much more important than me getting my speakers back! Take your time!" :-) |
Mapman,
Hey, I've seen plenty of copies of Far East Suite on eBay, too. Which edition and format did you get? |
Okay,
Things settling down a bit with my folks, and I got to spend some quality time with the 100's and Micro's last night. A little "audio therapy" if you will! Impressions...
If you go back to my 2/28/09 post, you'll see that I was impressed by how little the Micro's give up to the 100's, and that's still true, perhaps even more so. The smoothness, tonal balance and imaging and enveloping soundstage are all there. What the 100's add is authority in the bass region and - I can add this now - more convincing dynamics. The 100's really swing from soft to loud pretty effortlessly - and this is with an 80 watt Unison Unico integrated - and I hear it most dramatically on orchestral recordings. Not that the Micro's DON'T do orchestra well - they do, and to a level that belies their tiny size. But when you compare them side-by-side with the 100's, you hear the added weight and presence of the larger driver.
So: I think that anybody with a small room who likes the fundamental Ohm "sound" would be VERY happy with the Micros - happy with the sound, and happy knowing that for $1000, they've snagged a real bargain in the world of high-end audio. But if that same person had another $700 to plunk down, they'd get the added benefits of what the larger driver and cabinet have to offer.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to keep the 100's and ship back he Micro's next week. The Micros still do sound the slightest bit more open and airy than the 100's, but I have to believe that thats a matter of much less break-in time on that larger driver. So the 100's should keep getting better with time.
Oh, and one other thing. Once you dial in their placement, the Ohm's do a very fine job of placing instruments and singers in space - nothing "vague" about their imaging, although it takes some fiddling.
Over and out... |
Biznus97,
Disclaimer: I have an oddly shaped room, and I'm still not convinced I've found optimum placement for best tonal balance. Given that...
Both speakers are 20 inches off the rear wall, measured from the back of each speaker. The right speaker is 16 inches off the side wall. The left speaker is four or five feet from the left wall -- that's by necessity, due to the room shape. My listening position is more or less centered between the speakers, about 10 or 11 feet back.
I'll add that a nice thing about the Ohms is that the radiation pattern does provide a wide "sweet sweep," meaning that your listening position is flexible. It's a real plus in rooms like mine, where there's one piece of furniture to sit on (a day bed) that's tucked into a "niche" in the room and can't really be moved. |
The joys of settling in...
It's a pleasure being off the speaker merry-go-round and just enjoying music for awhile!
Had a brief chance to listen today (parents' health situation not yet totally resolved... but getting there...)
Two more "Ohm Show Pieces," both from Steely Dan Gold: Expanded Edition.
Century's End and True Companion. That signature Ohm "fill the room with music" thing is definitely happening in spades.
Steve
PS: Thanks for the recommendations, Marty! |
Bondmap,
I used to have a pair of Vandy 2C's (original model) many years ago. I cherished them for their ability to throw a large soundstage, but the Ohm's trounce them in that department with the right source material.
I agree with Mapman that much of the soundstage presentation takes place behind the speakers, but not entirely. On "The Goodbye Look" from Donald Fagen's "The Nightfly," the percussion, especially the marimba parts, reach out into the room toward you. On "Let's Face The Music And Dance" from Diana Krall's "When I Look In Your Eyes," the piano part also reaches right out into the room. And on pretty much all of the Steely Dan album "Two Against Nature," there are keyboard parts swimming right in front of your nose like nobody's business! :-)
I also remember loving Sade's "Is It A Crime" track from one of her first LP's on the Vandy's, because of how wide the soundstage extended, and the Ohms do at least as well on that track.
What I will say is that the Ohms seem to me to be more forgiving in terms of placement than my old 2C's. I remember lots of futzing around with the Vandy's in terms of distance from any walls, vertical tilt, and so forth. With the Ohm's it's been simpler for me.
I also wouldn't underestimate the convenience of fine tuning speaker placement with a speaker that doesn't require spikes! :-) |
