Odyssey "Khartago" Stereo Extreme" amp compared to Schitt's "Vidar" amp


I am downgrading my amp to a smaller size and considering either Odyssey Khartago Stereo Extreme  or the Schitt Audio "Vidar"  Therefore, I need some feedback about which amp might sound better and more compatible with a Conrad Johnson PV-14L SE pre-amp. Also, which one would be more compatible with a variety of speakers

My current speakers are Golden Ear Technology model 7's which might  possibly be replaced by Magneplanar .7 speakers, or something better than the GET 7's.


Thank you,

S.J.

  

  

sunnyjim

Showing 15 responses by georgehifi

You’ve still got to have the last say, which doesn’t make it right sunshine, because it was your insistence with your lack of tech knowledge skills that turned this into a **** fight thread not helping the OP or Odyssey one iota.
Why would I not like your answer George as long as it is honest


Which it always has been and I’ve never put down the Stereo amps that Odyssey makes. Just claims ****** make about them to get the gullible to buy them, anyone would think they are "shilling" for Odyssey????
Only issues I have are the bridged monos that are never advertised as being bridged, also Class-A claims made by so called "experts" that think an amps "current consumption" is the amount of Class-A bias an amp has.
Just calling it as it is Jack, nothing added, nothing taken away and nothing embellished.
And if you wish to get get on the BS merry-go round, I’ll call it too, as there’s way too much of it on these pages.
Just out of curiosity as to your supposed "friend" who had the Odyssey amps in for evaluation in Australia what specific amps were those and more importantly what year exactly was that?
Looks like your a bit of an Odyssey fan Jack,  you may not like my answer.
  https://forum.audiogon.com/search/index?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=Odyssey&username=jackd
 
He imported the samples which look like they are still current models, a few years ago, two stereo's and two pairs monoblocks, I believe Khartago and Stratos.
We, 8 of us (6 potential customers), listened over a few hours to the Stereo's and thought well of them both, even into a hard to drive pair of Infinity Epsilon. Then we listened to their bridged monoblock versions.
  
We thought to a "reasonable level" the stereo's were far better, if you wanted to party the bridged mono's were the way to go.
Then we opened them up to see what the story was, and I pointed out the mono's were just bridged stereo's.
  
The two stereo's sold that day, the monos he sold off later. needless to say he never became an importer.    
Cheers George  
Whatever, you’ve already shown your knowledge with the BS statements you presented on Class-A that you have no technical experience whatsoever on at all, which explains why your a "fuser" as well someone pointed out below.
Replacing the fuses with HI-FI Tuning or Synergistic Research will make a difference too(if you haven’t already).


Anyone interested in returning to the subject of this thread(WITHOUT the spin)
You started and repeated the propaganda "spin", with the false claims of 35w Class-A on the Odyssey (lucky to be 5w) your not doing Odyssey any favours.

To those here, I have nothing against Odyssey they have always had good affordable reliable "low bias" Class-A/B "stereo" amps, in the same vein as Bryston's are. The "bridged" monoblocks are in my view are a big step backwards for the extra cost, Class-D even a cheaper option.

sunnyjim OP what I said said to you, you’d get better sound, bi-amping with Class-A mids and highs using a "real" Class-A 20w Schiit Aegir, and maybe a Vidar on the bass, or even as mrdecibel said an even cheaper Class-D on the bass.
Cheers George
@georgehifi has a bias against Odyssey. It’s obvious and he’s made this clear in more than a few threads.
Beside the BS calls by a couple of members here trying to con the gullible, that they are 35w Class-A per channel.

The one thing I've always stated is that was not made totally clear to potential purchasers in their advertising, is that the far more expensive Monoblock are just the Stereo version bridged.
And if you have any knowledge of amplifier electronic design, you'll know that all you gain by bridging a stereo amp is extra watts! Every other parameter that makes the same amp in stereo a good amp, takes quite a large hit when it's bridged.
  
And if you need proof once again here are the internals of the stereo v monoblock, if you have a modicum of EE knowledge you'll see that it's just a stereo amp bridged into mono, your actually getting a lesser sound quality amp in monoblock but with more watts than in stereo.

And yes as I mentioned the chassis are the same (no biggie) just with blanked holes for the other input and speaker terminals for stereo.

 

The stereo amp - https://ibb.co/VBbVcFJ

 

The monoblock amp - https://ibb.co/L1wmrP7


Cheers George

Your are incorrect and delusional
Read 35w idle draw at the bottom of the specs
http://www.odysseyaudio.com/products-stratos-mono.html
And as I explained, no chance in the world 35w Class-A per channel from a 150w a/b amps with those heatsinks, never ever!! 




35w Class-A per channel out of the 150w Stratus
You have been conned, "if" you were told this.
You need to go to EE school, "35w of Class-A per channel on a 150w amp"!!!!, Means it would have massive heat sinks and be the size of a coffee table to dissipate the amount of heat, or have serious fan forced cooling, what a crock of ****

Alon Wolf uses Odyssey
I don’t care!

LMAO
Me too ’D" talk about feeding BS to the gullible, just like it’s never advertised you get just bridged stereo amps when you buy the "premium" Monoblocks.
Cheers George
This is a laugh, rodman99999 you need to look at things better, and try to understand them. I just had a look at the site.

35W IS THE POWER CONSUMPTION. NOT!!!! THE CLASS-A PER CHANNEL !!!
The Stratos at 150w  would be lucky to have 2w of Class-A  per channel with 35w idle power consumption


Joan Armatrading, I listened the the track just yesterday "Save Me"
I'm guessing you can't read, I already answered that by saying
"I’m just going with more Class-A of the two for the mids and highs only, and that’s the Schiit Aegir’s has 20watts! of Class-A"
are you making assumptions?
Have you against the Aegir, I’m just going with more Class-A of the two for the mids and highs, and that’s the Schiit Aegir’s 20watts! And we know Mike Moffat is no fool in Electronic Engineering design, I'd back him over Klaus any day.

Cheers George
And we know Mike Moffat is no fool in Electronic Engineering design, I’d back him over Klaus any day
No! I believe you "think" I believe he is.


so credit should be given to Jason, as well as Mike.
Yes agreed, but we all know who is the front man of the two, with the highest profile and accolades. He made Theta Audio one of the best in hiend you could get.
Cheers George
So- assumptions, now- to include Klaus(as being a fool, regarding EE design).
I believe you are for now trying to put words into my mouth by twisting what I said. I said Mike Moffat is no fool, (not Klaus) I'd back him over Klaus.
  
And yes a friend of mine was to become the Australian agent for Odyssey, got all the range samples, but when lifted the lid I showed him that the monoblocks were just the normal stereo amps bridged with blanked off input and speaker connections on the back, he and others that were on hand were not amused, then sold the samples he had, and didn't re-order again. 
his price points are incorrect.
Over here in Oz there on the money, even "if" a bit more over there, the Schitt combo would still sound better than the equivalent Odyssey or higher for that matter. As you’ll have real 20w class-A running the mids and tops.
The best A bias an Odyssey could manage would be 5-7w with their rail voltage and heatsink, and monoblocks are just bridged stereo amps

Cheers George
sunnyjim OP
speakers are Golden Ear Technology model 7’s which might possibly be replaced by Magneplanar .7 speakers, or something better

If you get speakers that are bi-amp’able, I would go these two amps horizontally bi-amped, still cheaper than one Odyssey.
A Schiit Vidar on the bass of both, and the new Class-A Schiit Aegir, for the mids and highs. This should be a killer amp setup for bi-amp’able speakers.
http://www.av2day.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/biamp1.jpg

Cheers George