Not sure for power conditioner my amp or not.


Hi, I have an VTA ST-120 I built using KT88C’s for my 2 channel. I have all my equipment running through a Torus Power TOT MAX Toroidal Isolation. I have heard 2 different versions on what to do. As far as what to plug my amp into. The wall or the TOT’s? I know this isn’t a "power conditioner" such as PS Audio sells. Should I keep everything plugged into the TOT, so all my grounds are the same and it has the optional surge protection? Or straight into the wall? I tried the wall once, but didn’t hear a difference really. But I didn’t test for long and not sure I ever got to the point of drawing too much power from the amp. Which is the best way to leave it? Thanks! Scott

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Thanks for nice comments. I had fun building it and the preamp. Yes, I have an upgraded outlet too. Thanks!

 

ghdprentice  Thanks! I will move the amp to the wall. I don't think I can change to dedicated line without tearing up my walls though.

Tony, I built and had powder coated the same my pre-amp I made from VTA. I really am happy with both products.

 

Thanks Everybody for your advice. Now I am even more confused than I used to be, LOL I am kidding. Thanks for real! We have good power here and I have solar feeding my house. I am going to move the power to the wall and see how that goes.

I did not wait 3 days to try out. My memory isn't that good anymore. I did go back and forth with a good hard hitting LP. "Atomic Movie Sound Track". Yes, when I really listen, there is a difference that I notice when it is at a higher volume. Now I wonder if I should move my tube pre-amp (uses 6SN7 octal tubes, has dual mono regulated power supplies for each channel) and bypass the conditioner. I would need to do some power cord movements. I have a very good upgraded wall outlet. I may just double it up with 1 more to get enough to add the pre-amp to it also. I don't want to do that for no reason and I don't have enough outlets, to just swap my cords around.

Now that my ST-120 is right, THANKS for ALL the GREAT helpful responses, does anyone have any experience with pre-amps making a difference or my VTA SP-12 in particular? 

One quick question please. Is keeping any tube device off of the conditioner? I also have tube Rogue phono-pre, tube DAC, tube headphone amp. Or only high current drawing devices, like the main amp?

audioisnobiggie  LOL  I know where a bunch of Sturgeon Class Fast Attack Sub Nuc Plants, along with the one I was on, are buried. :)  Thanks for being funny without being condescending! I hardly post on here in fear of being made fun of, for asking questions. Thanks. 

hsounds, I understand grounding. At my job we "star" ground the external equipment all the time. I was curious on this "Puritan GroundMaster system". I was wondering if all my sources are plugged into the power conditioner and it is plugged into the same outlet as my Amp. Then shouldn't they be all on the same ground effectively? I know bad grounding can cause problems. Did that help you out? 

 

Facten, I power off my tube devices when not used. I will look into some surge protection. Do you think surge protection will cause and sound degregation? (SP?)

 

Thanks Scott

 Very interesting article on Zero Surge. That also shows what @facten  talked about. No changes in power signal. I am ordering a zero Surge. Zero Surge Analysis and Review 

Hi All, 1 more advice question. I ordered the Zero Surge 2 outlet. Mainly because that one would fit behind the cabinet. I don't know which device to plug in the other outlet. I have one outlet for ST-120 tube amp. The next one I have 2 devices and I am not sure which one to use it for. I have a 13 channel Onkyo HT receiver and a VTA SP14 tube preamp. Any advice between those two on which one to use in the other outlet? Thanks again, Scott

 

Since my Onkyo HT drives all the video probably best to leave it on Power Conditioner and use the other outlet for tube Pre-Amp.

 

My house power is generally very good. I can watch with my "sense" power meter installed. I also added the Zero Surge and connected my Tube Amp and Tube Pre Amp into the Zero Surge. I plugged everything else into the Torus TOT MAX conditioner. I ended up with adding a whole house surge just in case. I wouldn't have done that, but I also was installing my generator switching panel. I figured if I was already having the walls open I might as well add the whole house surge. Everything is fine and I appreciate all the help from everyone!! Seriously, it was an informative thread for me. Thanks, Scott 

Nice write up Erik, I have the Zero Surge as mentioned and I have an Eaton Ultra whole house surge. I can't really change out my Eaton electrical panels. For my Network/NAS I use a "clean sinewave" APC UPS. The ones used for servers in data centers that won't even turn on, if the power isn't clean enough. No wall warts, all LPS signature series from Lab Swagman. I can't afford a PS Audio P15 or P20. 

Nice! I should just unplug the Zero Surge when I am out of the house. It would be easy enough to do.