By the way this is a little enigma for materialist: there exist people who live normal life, and even a case where it was a mathematician, with almost no brain at all , then if you think consciousness is produced ONLY by the brain think twice:
Can You Live Without a Brain? | Office for Science and Society - McGill University
I cannot wait to read materialist ideologue trying to debunk these two perfectly documented facts in history...
I suggest geometry, number theory and quantum mechanics...
And why not biographies of the greatest mystics in all religions?
Try to Debunk Emmanuel Swedenborg for example one of the greatest scientist and mystic of his time who was the first scientist of the Sweden kingdom all his life in ALL fields..Even the poor Kant could not debunk him...He tried hard in a book....
You think that this mystic visionary who visit hell and paradise out of his body every day was a crook... Ok read that opinion about only ONE of his expertise field by a modern neurologist:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18641979/
ABSTRACT:
«I discuss three examples of neuroscientists whose ideas were ignored by their contemporaries but were accepted as major insights decades or even centuries later. The first is Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772) whose ideas on the functions of the cerebral cortex were amazingly prescient. The second is Claude Bernard (1813-1878) whose maxim that the constancy of the internal environment is the condition for the free life was not understood for about 50 years when it came to dominate the development of modern physiology. The third is Joseph Altman (1925-) who overturned the traditional dogma that no new neurons are made in the adult mammalian brain and was vindicated several decades later.»
Study and think BEFORE believing in the only EXISTENCE of "matter" or in the INEXISTENCE of ghosts or spirits....
Our own spirit we feel it and matter external to us it is ONLY a convenient HYPOTHESIS...Nothing more...
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Sorry but Neither God or Nietsche could die...
Our notion of dying is medically under revision now...
It is vastly proven by hospital medical research ( not a Fauci paid for hospital though guess why?) that cousciousness could exist OUT of the body...a falling body and his decomposition dont mean ABSOLUTE destruction anymore...Save for transhumanist cultist....
And for the possibility of miracles the most interesting miracles PUBLICLY recognized in the 20th century were worked by an ordinary man on CROWDS of thousand of sick and paralysed people for years... Some Doctors were so afraid they almost kill him and jail him at all cost... They feel completely humiliated...It remind me of the actual health crisis by some aspects...A man named Christ did the same some years ago....Think about his fate.... Groning prove that this Jesus was not a lying crook created by superstition perhaps...By the way i am not a religious person but i am not a childish ideologist of matter static atomic only real existence and flat earth reality either...
Try to listen to this 3 hours totally true documentary and try to debunk the testimonies .... Good luck...Bruno Groning actions was one of the most mysterious
healing spritual feat of the century because it concern THOUSANDS of miracles in one fell swoop...With doctors verifications in many many cases...
The world is not what simplistic materialist theory said it is...
Study and think.... Opinions are not of any interest....
This is the first part, it is more than very interesting, it is SPELLBINDING..No Dysney movie would have take this on a film because it is IMPOSSIBLE to believe this especially in a movie which want to stay credible ... But all really happen and is DOCUMENTED by testimonies and photographs ....Negationist beware...Documents are fake or real there is nothing else between these 2 alternatives....
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Merry christmast nonoise....
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Just a remark about anthropomorphisation of animals and the reduction, in some quarter of "civilization", of all life to be only machines, even us at the other extreme in transhumanism cult for example coming from the cartesian dualism divide...
These 2 attitude are TOOLS coming from different cultures at different times in history...Domestication of animals is linked with their anthropomorphisation, our own humanity is born from animals and plants...Cutting this link is loosing ourselves...
Which one is the most useful tool LONG TERM ? Asking the question is answering it....
It is not so much that we imbue animals and plants of a part of ourselves, which is true for sure, it is them that give us a material and spiritual life and the feeling of the "sacred" to begin with anyway...
«Plants "speaks" so to speak, and it is not so much ONLY an antropomorphism gesture than the lost of our inattentive "superiority" over which appear to be for science now no more mere materials to be used than a consciousness living on another time scale....
For sure your observation is right but must me compensated or balanced by another one.... This is the reason of my post...
Humans tend to imbue things with qualities not present. Personification of animals comes to mind. Seems reasonable that we’d imbue inanimate objects with a part of ourselves as well, maybe even more than an animal since it hasn’t life of it’s own until we complete the process.
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Greats posts thanks to the Op And sns...
I will only add that pride of the job done is not a sin...
The ego is not something to be erased but a tool to serve the spirit...
The creation of our own audiophile event by our hand and experiments is not a feat of worthy of unending praise just circonstances to learn something about ourselves...
Music is also therapeutical tool for me, some frequencies are very important to be rightfully perceived with optimal accuracy...
Music is a hobby, i listen to enjoy myself but the therapeutic aspect is on par with the pleasant sensations..
Music is also a tool to explore and modify a part of the earth : our room and make it completely adapted to our own body from an acoustic point of view...
Also acoustic and psycho acoustic are really a simple meditation about our power , how consciousness could modify the perceptions by reorganizing the room...
The only luxury is a dedicated room but someone could also do without it...
The essential is acoustically optimize so well our audio system that we will be able to enlarge our original tastes and appreciate many other culture perspectives takes on the soul/world through music..
By the way many of us lack self confidence, me included, and we prefer to give ourself to the market and bought without any creative move, but the most important thing is to have self-confidence and self reliance... I never had that myself...I am not a very skilled craftsman .... The only reason i embarked on this journey was not first self confidence but complete lack of money and the desesperate urge to improve greatly my unsatisfying actual audio system after my retirement or just before it...Then for those of us who are like me, without self confidence, you must learn to do it, and the less money you have to throw in the wind sometimes is the better, it will make easier your frantic searches for solutions and studies of basic science....
This is deeply true :
That frustration comes from trying to fulfill deeply creative urges with audiophile pursuits *alone*. That’s not enough to satisfy a lot of us.
I wish you the best christmas possible in this impossible world....
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«We listen with our body gesture, not only with our ears but with our lungs, ask any singer»-Anonymus Smith
«How ridiculous it would be ! A book called: acoustic for your lungs»-Groucho Marx 🤓
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I will add that my insistence in audio thread about acoustic and psycho-acoustic, and about embeddings controls, is related to this experience of music and sound as ONE experience uniting world/body/ soul...
Then it has no relation to market consumerism conditioned ignorance upgrade obsession about sound only or about "taste"...
Any musical experience, in a lived event or recreated in a room, is also a unique acoustical and cosmic event...
Sound and music are like our body and soul ...Not one without the other....
We need no money at all to create our own experience it is my take about the freedom of spirit in the N. quote...
I thank heartfully the OP for the deep discussions made possible by this thread
out of the usual "branded name" or "Tweaks" discussion...
«Someone who know how to listen dont focus his attention about his "tastes" anymore»-Anonymus Smith
«Crocodiles live by their tastes, scientist dont»-Groucho Marx 🤓
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I will add to this discussion about Nietzsche that his master Schopenhauer had deep view about music revealing the "noumenal" or the "thing in itself", passing over or under or through the mere "representation" and linking the "will" in man to the universal cosmic will as ONE... Then music express the esthethical and the ethical dimension as 2 aspects of the same coin so to speak... This is the reason why music was so important phenomenon for S. and N. inherited this passion for music experience as a cosmic experience from S. himself...
S. was an admirer of the Spinozist Goethe, who is the recognized or unrecognized center of all the german philosophy even more than Kant himself...... And for Goethe colors express the same esthetical and ethical dimensions 2 aspect of the same "coin" and experience...In the same fashion the morphology of an animal is a book to be read in his environment whose chapters contains all the physiology of the animal and of the world itself.... For this read the monumental 1300 pages book of Wolfgang Schad
http://www.adonispress.org/threefoldness.php
Now physical Acoustic and psycho-acoustic , the science but also the lived experience of acoustic, express for me, like music an esthetical and a ethical lesson to the acoustician and to ourself : the location of our body in the world or in a room make us able with our attention to explore CONSCIOUSLY a perspectival meaningful world lived internally and externally as ONE WORLD...
More than that the perception of sound is the DIRECT perception, through the wave-image, of the INSIDE of a resonating object and an immediate perception of his density, of his topology, and of his intrinsic qualities located in a particular vibrational state in a pareticular environment...( this is the reason why the "timbre" experience for example cannot be reduced to his spectrum) .Intuition is then a compensated PERCEPTION here as real as for the senses...
For example the location of cavities , their number, the size of their aperture, the materials which compose them, be it dry wood or wet wood or diverse metals, be it a ripe fruit or not if we tap it to verify, etc, are revealed by tapping or putting the object in a resonant state... A cavern or a flute, not only fruits or rock are perceived directly for their qualities this way by prehistoric man or by blind man in their environment...Or by conscious listening experiment nowadays...
If you can read this article The Body-Image Theory of Sound: An Ecological Approach to Speech and Music by Akpan J. Essien is very instructive....So much i boight his doctorate thesis in a book...
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267327268_The_Body-Image_Theory_of_Sound_An_Ecological_Approach_to_Speech_and_Music
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The only thing lost is fetish value! How cool is that?
Great post indeed!
«The only thing lost is fetish value»
Benjamin+Baudrillard....
If we observe that mechanical reproduction can ADD all interpretations in classical music and all "takes" of a piece in jazz and gave them all in one fell swoop to a listener, for example i collect interpretations of the "well tempered klavier" we can correct Benjamin lost of the aura concept and Baudrillard predatory simulacrum and replace/correct them with the revelation that the gesture of time, his timing, could add something which lack from eternity : the fleeting essential moment....THE ACT DONE IN TIME at the right time..All interpretations and " takes" ADD a perspective totally new on a work of music that exist at the same time in perspectival time and in eternity ....
Here we have the secret of martial art, of musical playing, of listening and speaking and the key to redemption...Even the secret of small room acoustic linked to the timing of reverberations waves and the timing of the first wavefronts for each ears GESTURE....
At the root of martial art: Heinrich Kleist "the puppets theater " masterpiece about the gesture in time , and the deep meditation about REALITY in Dostoievsky short novel : the dream of a ridiculous man...
Think about that these two short complementary stories contains all the history of the world in condensed and abbreviated way...
Read the 2 and compared them...
In a word, the possibility to listen in one day to many interpretations of a work of music takes us from time to eternity and from eternity to time back again...Erasing the illusion of a past "golden age" and erasing the illusion of the ALWAYS future progress to come...The work of art is no more an image of paradise but a part of it through our own listening gesture...
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N. is a thermometer of his era...Nobody trash the thermometer because it say that it is too cold outside...
The contradictions of his era he took them on himself , like a reverse image of Christ....He died from a poisonous logical equation: man is only an ape but he must become a god....It is impossible because time is finite and the universe is a finite atomistic eternal return engine...
Anybody thinking that is condemned to become ill and mad...N. understood the science of his time and all the hypocrisy of christianity....A deadly equation....
The lucididy of Dostoievsky is on par with N. but he was never the deceived dupe of the science of his time... Russian are more stronger souls...
The deepest short novel of all time is : "the dream of a ridiculous man"
Nihilism
noun
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the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless.
Is this not the essence of Neitzsche?
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The gear cannot disapear, the room cannot disapear but they could be used optimally, anyway the gear and room disapear completely only with very few high audio grade recording and with the right gear in the right room, otherwise we create simply an habit to live with we have already...
The best system cannot make most average recording miraculously "audiophile recording one"....The gear here do not disapear BUT REVEAL all acoustic tags and cues from the original event and the choices which have been made by the recording engineer... ...
A good system, even at low cost like mine, could, when the system/room is acoustically well controlled , reveal all acoustical chosen trade -off from ALL recordings..Then this is not only the so well recorded albums which become interesting BUT ALL RECORDINGS by the way we perceive them now in a new revealing acoustic light so to speak... Then when the room acoustic is optimallly controlled we listen to all our recordings for the music and not for a "good sound" coming from very few audiophile recording of choice....People listen to their best recorded album mainly only because their gear/room CANNOT reveal the original takes of the recording engineer...
Acoustic settings is the greatest of all upgrade ....It makes all album not on par with one another on all counts for sure, but it makes all of them acoustically interesting and there is no more a wall between the sound and the music...
There is no corruption of music by love of sound... There is an unending unsatisfaction by ignorance of the way to embed optimally a system in his mechanichal, electrical and acoustical dimensions...Then the upgrading deceptive road is chosen...
If i am not right, why am i satisfied by my low cost system ? After years working with the SAME GEAR in these three working dimensions, with what some uninformed called "tweaks" and which i call embeddings controls methods, am I deaf?
Like see N. we are free to create our own source of joy by our own hand and with minimal skills and basic acoustic science...Music and sound become ONE.....
One thing though is true, we dont need an audio system to be glad with music , when i was 14 years old i was in ectasy with the first battery radio and bad plugs in ear....Then we must learn how to use the gear to go back to the essential : simplicity...Not ascetism...Simplicity...
Art is a human gesture if not it is an empty sums of objects ....
😊😊😁😁😁😁😁😊😊
And yet...I wonder. I can only speak for myself, of course, but too often my pleasure in listening comes not from the music itself, but from the reproduction of it. The proof of this is that I will often choose to listen to something that is well-recorded even if it is musically banal, and I privilege good recordings over good performances in most cases (although there are fortunately lots of good performances that are also well-recorded). Bottom line: I love the equipment, especially when it seems to "disappear"! This is a paradox.
Maybe, as sns suggests, this is due to some "corruption" of real passion for music by "the need for material goods." I’m also a musician (cello and guitar), and I know a lot of musicians; none of them—literally, none—are audiophiles. Why is that? And I’ve had profound experiences with music in very compromised acoustical situations. How can that be, if SQ is the be-all and end-all?
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I dont think N. idea is about ascetism....
I think it is about freedom...
I think N. will be interested in acoustic but not by the price tag of the gear or by upgrading obsession...
I think N. loved music and he will mock sound obsession linked to anything save acoustic principles...I think N. will experiment to had the best results with the less price...
I think spirit was defined rightfully and simply in the OP post : freedom and the link we entertain with all that exist without mental block of fixation...
Poor or rich, the burden is the same, free yourself from money or from poverty....
Ascetism in audio anyway could be the sign of satisfaction, it is mine.... Noit a dorced ascetism though...
I dont judge people who can afford one million bucks system and be free...
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You said it better thanks....
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All teacher are not hoax or empty idol...
Certainly not the poor Nietzsche who pay the price of his insight with his life...
The main name in spirituality, science or philosophy are NOT first authority figure but human who struggle toward the truth...
Buddah speaks complex matter, and Christ too, only Sam Harris will think that they are gurus or crooks...More honest mind will call them teacher ...
It is like in audio where the snake fraud is nowhere to be found where people think it is....Nietzsche seems to think where the snake oil is...
Ok i apologize for my interpretation and i will shut myself...
Merry Christmast
I guess that is his mask of being an authority figure.
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In the gospels who is rich in spirit is someone for whom any posessions means nothing or at least dont replace spirit.....
He can own them for any purpose and not only for himself...
I know it is an hard lesson to learn!
I dont consider myself wise and filled with spirit...
Spirit comes from hebrew "ruach" the wind, the breathing, the relation to the kingdom inside and outside...
What is his definition of spirit?
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Thanks hilde45 for your link with Nietzsche...
It apply to the letter to audio...
It described more the spiritual condition behind consumerism, a poverty of spirit which all the gold in the world generally cannot replace...
But all people with costly audio system are not like the beggar in rich clothes depicted by Nietzsche ...
We must not judge while thinking, we must apply this wise observation to ourself or the part of ourself who mimic the aphorism ....
Merry Christmas to you and thank for this deep insight...
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Music is a 2 way power...
Something that put all of us on a "spell"...A mass hypnosis tool...
A deceptive rapture of our mind and soul...music is a tool for control in all armies and publicities of the world for example...
But music is also a tool to heal us like any drug who comes from a poison or could be one if dose is not right, is designed to be a bliss and a "rapture" in heaven or toward spirit like in native people or religious ceremony... Or like used in therapeutic...Or written to elevate the brain OUT of itself like in Bach...
Money also is born like any poison, a destructive agent, but also a "pharmakon" a possible remedy...
Spin doctors, "eminence grise" plays on these two modalities for music like for money...
Fritz Lang probably never read Bernard Mandeville, but his Dr. Mabuse is a perfect allegory between the "nevrosis" of those under a spell and the "perversion" coming from those who look for controls...Like in Mandeville Hive allegory...
Art may be more powerful than Science...I repeat: Art MAY BE more powerful than science...
Because science is divided in many fields, and each fiels is divided in an indefinite number of skills and specialities...No scientist can create a synthesis , the price to pay is loosing his scientist status...The artist could and must, true art is always a SYMBOLIC SYNTHESIS, never only an entertainment or a provocation...
Knowledge is not science, science is not technology...
Art may integrate knowledge, science and technology sometimes revealing some aspects of their possible integration or contradictions.. Like a philosophy inspired by spirit can do it...Like some man also driven by a spiritual quest....like a scientis who is also an artist and a spiritual man...
A Swiss economist wrote a book about the relation between money and economy inspired by the Goethe Faust for example...
https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/duke-university-press/money-and-magic-a-critique-of-the-modern-economy-in-the-light-of-qw787UpvP1
N. was right speaking of the spirit and the weight and unrecognized burden of the material possessions, but for N. what he call the owner of spirit MUST be read in these 2 way manner: the owner of the spirit could the master who control himself first but the master mind who can " fall" into the role of leading the mass with the deceptive offer of marketting illusions, with money, with a "spin" mass art who will put people to sleepwalking...These 2 way to understand N. put N. himself in an impossible doublebind situation at the end...
Religion is not the only opium, money is another one...N. seeing all the hypocrisy of religion putting man on a sleep and reading Darwin, thought that a man is free only when he liberate himself alone over his apeness : the ubermensch...But this freeing by oneself alone is also an illusion explained in Buddhism and in Christianity alike...Schopenhauer never FORGOT that lesson contrary to his disciple Nietszche...
N. after all was himself a genius under a spell....
Doistoievsky never was... Nor Goethe....
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Thanks i am very happy that you had like my article post...
Egoistically to save my posts frenzy from delirium crisis hypothesis by some, and because almost no one seems to be interested in thinking here save a few ...
Like in the audio hobby they buy ideology and upgrade BEFORE thinking and studying acoustic....N. was right....I like very much the OP use of N. lucidity...
Without the OP no discussion about spirit/ music/ consumerism and others "miracles" and "conspiracy" or mass manipulation would have been possible in audiogon...Thanks to him....
And in this crisis times we must think together... Not one against the other....
Great article.
The relentless intrusion of the corporate world into the scientific one is one there doesn’t seem to be any protection against.
It’s appalling to think that global leaders are now reduced to acting as sales reps for big pharma.
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I will made an another apology to all for my posts here telling a story....
One day a french doctor who was a devoted christian but was interested in Zen and in martial art visited not long after the second world war a monastery of Zen Buddhism directed by a great master...
The young french doctor speaking about the christian virtues of charity and explaining why he was interested by zen and martial art but will never convert to Buddhism because love and charity is for him the essential above anything was very surprized when the monk reply: "you are totally right and i do not recommend that you change the great teaching of Christ for the Buddha, but the most important virtue is humility, because if you give rice to someone by force and not waiting humbly for his hand to open itself the rice will fall on the dust and will be lost"...
i read that and i was stunned and discover immediately that i lack humility and in this thread i did it again putting posts without waiting for any question...
it seems old ape are tough to reform...
Happy new year to all....
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Just a remark about polarity...
If you wanted a mathematical clue about the existence of at least these two levels of existence for any being, look at the mathematical intuition in "Topos theory" explained by Alexander Grothendieck himself in his writing when he revolutionized, category theory and algebric geometry at the same times..
In the simplest possible way of speaking a "point" is no more a point object in space but a category which hide also an entire cosmos....
Grothendieck was a deep mystic like Ramanujan and the two are almost "extraterrestrial " geniuses like the young Sidis or Archimedes...It humble us all...
We can also read the "Correspondance treatise" of Swedenborg who influenced deeply the 19 century for ALL genius in ALL countries, they all read him, it is easy to demonstrate it...Swedenborg described precisely the relation between 2 levels of reality, the terrestrial and the spiritual in his own way and with the knowledge of his time... But his model is holographic and fractal way before these concepts were officially created in modern times if we read between the lines of his work... Swedenborg I..Q. is not a small number...Amazing...
An anecdote: he was a seer and know the future, he travelled each years from Sweden to Holland for publishing reason , and enjoyed unlike Balzac but with him for this one, only ONE vice: coffee chain drinking all day long...The 2 or 3 captains that travelled with him yearly discovered that the number of days taken by the boat to reach destination were easy to predict if they spot the amount of coffee the seer was keeping for the travel at sea... The story is in the most interesting bio about Swedenborg....i studied it in my younger years...i hope you will enjoy the anecdote...I hope because my post are damned if not... 😁😊
At the question what is death? The stuttering genius who spoke latin wrote in latin: "the reversal of the internal and of the external"....I will not explain it here, my goal is to comminucate to you the most elegant and concise and deep description of death in 3 words... Amazing? no ?
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We are betwwen christmast and the new year...
I want to give hope...
Look at this documentary who described a miracle in world war one...
I am suprized that no one look at the documented story of Bruno Groening i posted... Which is so extraordinary story... I apologize for my long and 3 last posts...
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Another deep aspect of the B. quote :"God’s transcendence is at an end. But he is not dead; he has been incorporated into human existence." is very deep..
Man is double, a polarity , like his heart is a beating polarity in his dynamic and geometry...
We are eternal consciousness without a limited "ego", a spirit and at the same times, we are a limited ego...
Sound/music for me is an expression in the limited world of the Plenum or pleroma of souls singing which is the pure meaning of music itself manifested in Bach or in any other musical experience playback or playing ...Remember that music is not reducible to physical sound....No more than meaning is reducible to spoken words or written one...
Then the soul/body polarity and the ego/spirit polarity or the sound/music are all expression flowing from one eternal source on earth and other cosmos kingdoms...
A finite object exist seemingly on one level of the scale, it is why we claim it is finite...But infinite being or spirit lived on at least 2 levels at the same time...Any finite object is the emerged tip of an hidden "iceberg" manifesting an another dimension anyway....
If everything exist all in the same level or dimension or "bag" so to speak, everything is meaningless. Structure imply design and design cannot exist without 2 levels of reality...
There is a clue about the apparent noise in the world and an hidden order manifesting through it...I posted an article from a doctorate thesis about the "fractal notion of the Brownian noise"... It is readable without too much mathematics but those mathematically inclined may look at the thesis attached to the article.... I am the first to read Mandelbrot, unknown completely when he publish his first book in french in 1975 when it arrived the first day from France in quebec city... This is a book who changed my intellectual landscape...I am very proud of that and i apologize for my pride... 😁😊
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Great post!
Benjamin is spot on even when he is slightly wrong like N. he points to some truth, because there is no lies in a "sismograph" indicating the tremors agitating mankind...B. and N. are disguised angels on a mission to awake mankind...
These spirits are treasure to meditate, hard to read and easy to contempt like someone contempting a tool he cannot use or would never dare to try to understand...
if we read this Benjamin quote to the letter , this quote is true to the letter, the only piece who lack to understand B. about N. is the unrecognized "possessed" in a way "daemonic" genius of Bernard Mandeville who before N. himself generated in advance the essential tools and deep methods of mass controls and manipulation and foundation of the Capitalist and Marxism cult to come...Others will refine them...
Hitler was more a german idiosyncrasy of the German defeat created by Banks With Versailles treaty and the full capitalist backing of the Monster in spite of his disgusting racism...
Thanks for this great thread indeed at least for me et few others...
As much as people deride Nietzsche, wow -- what energy he generates. If I want a short thread that dies quickly, I’ll go with Kant or Aquinas! In fact, I think Nietzsche is better than even Chomsky for generating light and heat.
Then again, there’s Benjamin...he could light things up! Viz., "capitalism is a purely cultic religion, perhaps the most extreme that ever existed….Capitalism is the celebration of the cult [without dream or mercy]…each day commands the utter fealty of each worshipper….entirely without precedent, in that it is a religion which offers not the reform of existence but its complete destruction. It is the expansion of despair, until despair becomes a religious state of the world in the hope that this will lead to salvation. God’s transcendence is at an end. But he is not dead; he has been incorporated into human existence. This passage of the planet “Human” through the house of despair in the absolute loneliness of his trajectory is the ethos that Nietzsche defined. This man is the superman, the first to recognize the religion of capitalism and begin to bring it to fulfillment." [Capitalism as Religion (Benjamin, 1921)]
But let’s not attack all our gods at once! Ignorance is bliss, amirite? ;-)
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Your post really moved me because you are sincere... and for sure right..
It is a great gift to regain faith in humanity... Thanks...
I thank you...
And i wish you the best from my heart....
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It is true....I recognize it...
And these unsolicited posts on the 25 december without anyone with me here were adressed to alleged friends and were not delirium but interesting discoveries i made about some aspect of reality related or less well related to this thread... Recognize it also....Some people write to me and liked them and i even discussed with few of them...
I wish you the best... I will try to imitate your cool attitude...
By the way i was injust with you, you contributed with poems very well written....I will never call that spam, no more than a link to an interesting thinker...
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You are right about this...i shouldnt be insulted...But some negative people here crash my christmast because my posts are too LONG... I am then a bit sensitive..
i have another idea about friendshp...
Thanks for your polite reply to my rude post...
But do you think that your 3 words opinion is enough reason to call my posts spam and the last words on this complex subject? i think not...
Calling this constructive criticism is an euphemism to say the least...I take it personal because of the context...
Anyway i thank you for your controlled reaction...
You had a quality i dont mastered well , it is true: coolness...
My best to you...
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The OP wisely linked a N. quote about spirit and consumerism in audio...Then think about what you just wrote...SPIRIT/ CONSUMERISM/ AUDIO this was the matter of the thread not audio ONLY... Then you just lied or you are slow brain ....
All my posts were by me directly related to the essential experience of the relation of sound/music and acoustic and psycho-acoustic and to some seemingly unrelated aspects of reality and history which are nonetheless anyway related to the human experience of music and of spirit .... All fields of human experience are related...Consumerism for example is not born in America, his roots are deep into history...Mandeville which i spoke about is one of this root...
Calling my posts spam is insulting ....Your non constructive posts adding nothing in information content maybe more spam than my commentaries with CONTENT to the complex topic of Spirit/consumerism/audio...
i dont hope that you will understand...
You have never added here any original concept in audio, unlike me, and most of your post are negative one against someone with no conceptual content...You miss arguing against geoffkait? And you call my posts spam...
Ridiculous dont kill ....
Well the posts are off topic and nothing to do with audio or music but so what?
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It seems contrary to some who criticized me about beiing monologous that many people asked questions for me and i discussed...
My posts are numerous and lenghty yes... Is there no content in it? who will dare to claim that to my face?
Small people easily are jealous and spit instead of discussing...Some spit politely like the OP who never discuss any of my posts and some other who never discuss them spitted way less politely..
Thanks to the many others who make me feel less alone in Christmast...
«When the head cannot work anymore or dont want it, the mouth spit»- Fictive invented maxim from unknown native american origin
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To answer your post, it is now well accepted historically that the ancient mysteries schools around the mediterranean sea, for example at Eleusis, used probably different methods, like isolation, incubation, method of asphyxiation, tainted beer or wine with hallucigenic natural product and not so much to create pleasurable experience like in the hippies era but for a sacred very serious methodically planned OUT OF BODY and NEAR DEATH experience or induced coma like trance for direct spiritual transformation
Spiritual experiences are non propositional real experience which are undescribeable , transcending usual discourse...
Religions are based on original experience which were denatured or forgotten or reduced to propositional dogmas oblivious of the spiritual original event...
And now for something completely different. Do you believe one can cultivate the spirit through hallucinogenic substances? Does proper intention alongside hallucinogenic ingestion create space for seeing the unseen.
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First listen to the video of the "seventh seal" film by Ingmar Bergman..i posted the adress few posts above...
This film which is one of the greatest work of art in cinema adress all your post interrogations.. i had and i have the same interrogations myself which are amongst the great interogations of mankind interogations through time...
This idea of personal god so hilarious.
Second i will give to you my clue about that ...
Think about WHO we are..
We are at the same time an IMPERSONAL SPIRIT CONSCIOUSNESS deep in us, and at the surface a biased historical manifested EGO...
Now think about what is GOD... Do you think God is LESS than what we are...
Do you think he is an abstraction without personality of any sort...Or a Tyrannical EGO who do nothing while children are kiiled in suffering?
Mysteries are not rational or irrational, they are heart beating POTENTIAL revelation...listen to the "seven seals" ...This work of art is itself a revelation..
The 17 minutes video i posted above is a perfect resume of this film and you will pick the essential...
thanks sns for your interesting posts...
By the way i dont recognize myself with zealots of any kind, religious one or materialist one....
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Make you own referendum about me in audiogon and if you had more people who think like you i will QUIT audiogon forever...
How many threads has mahgister highjacked?
Anyone keeping count?
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For covid i had sound argument points... I clearly stated my position : vaccination of at risk population of ALL the world, second, no mass mandated forced vacccinations for children , and cheap proven multi drugs free for the others...
It is not WISE and simple to understand? THIS IS PURE SCIENCE....not poltical agenda...
Biden and Trump are idiots i dont choose between idiots..Pick the one you love...
For climate change you lied about me...
I clearly state that there is 2 factors thats all : Sun activity and men activity...
Discussing climate changes is impossible in audio thread, and it is what i said because it is TOO politically charged like covid and too complex more than covid science...Then save for UNDERLINING these 2 important related factors , the sun activity and mankind activity, i never pronounce myself MORE...
Try to be HONEST...not a sophist...Read my post in their context...
You constantly demonstrated in all threead for years your political agenda, i constantly demonstrated that i can change my mind and THINK out of any political ideology..
You are an hypocrit like some of the rightwingers you had attacked all times ...The difference is you are a leftwinger...
I am an adult not a puppet...
Try to contradict me NOW ABOUT any of my philosophical or historical points in this thread if you own a brain...
You cry out that I’m being political in debates on Covid and climate change when I’m not. You do so because you cite crazy stuff to support you claims that are easily disputed.
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