New VPI 3D Arm


At last I have the arm in place and set up - though I think the tweak adjustments are still far from done. I had in place a VPI 10.5i arm with a Benz LPS, on a Superscoutmaster/Rim Drive with Bearpaws in place of the original VPI mini feet. The rest of the system is an Ayre K1xe preamp with their phono board in place, an Ayre V1xe amp, and Vandersteen 5A speakers. I set the new 3D arm with a MINT protractor, and a Fozgometer. The arm was sent to me with a standard rear counterweight of 120 grams that included a Soundsmith Counterintuitive to ease the setup. How Nice I said to myself, however, Harry himself recommended a 200 gram counterweight because my cartridge was so heavy. The new weight was sent to me, without the Counterintuitive...when I inquired why not, it seems that the C/I wouldn't fit the larger, heavier counterweight that was needed for my cartridge. So..off I go to set up the new arm. Let me tell you the setup is the clunkiest, most time consuming, most exasperating work, I have ever tried. I just gave up after many hours, and contacted VPI to vent. Harry told me that if I oiled the inside grommets of the rear counterweight, it would move much easier/smoother....and so it did, however, I would grade it as a D+...better than the F before, but not good at all. When moving the counterweight it still gripped the tonearm make any kind of precise movement a matter of luck. Harry told me he was working on (almost done - ready to market in about a month) a new counterweight system that would permit easy fine tuning with no problems. I suggest anyone who is about to get a 3D arm to insist that the new counterweight be included with your purchase. Harry promised me one of these, and I will report on these pages when I get it and how well it works. Anyway...probably most of you want to know how the new arm sounds. I must remind you that the arm is still new and really not tweaked to the nth degree. My first album told me immediately that this arm was completely different than the 10.5i (which I think is a great arm when set up correctly). The music from the speakers with this arm is completely relaxed....that hits you in face immediately. I'm not sure I can explain it further then "relaxed". When playing Paul Simon's new album with the 10.5i, I had to strain to hear the words to the tunes....which was odd to me since Paul's prowess as a poet is hard to criticize. With the 3D arm, the words and Paul's talent is completely exposed. Instruments are much more rounded and in their own space - individually...as in real instruments playing. Right now, I would describe the low end as a bit weak, however, the cables are not broken in yet, and back end of the arm just may be too high. After all of the aggravation and hours of setup, I'm not ready to adjust anything yet...just want to rediscover my vinyl. This is a work in process, and I will post again.
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As much as I hate to say it, I think I'm finally done with VPI.

After waiting 3 months for my new arm, with no communication on delays from VPI, I finally get my 10" arm for my Classic3 today and upon unboxing it,
one of the sideweights had popped off, looks to be secured with just glue, no threads etc (on a 2500.00 arm wand?) Then I realize that the sideweights are too large to clear the VTA tower, indicating they put the large ones from the Classic Direct on my arm. REALLY?
Then I find out the counterweight won't work with my cartridge, did not come with a counterintuitive at all, and the manual's about half written
(This is not just drop it on the old one and go). You have to replace the spike assembly, which is not that easy and even replace the incorrect height arm rest as well......both require an allen and patience, then you have to install the new ones.......

I go look on VPI's site and it speciifically says "For Lyra Kleos use 160Gram weight).....really???? Everyone involved in this transaction knew what my cartidge was.....

Now I have a dismantled table with an arm that won't even pivot without banging into the VTA tower......

I just can't believe that everytime I buy something from these guys, this type of stuff is the result.....
Based on Mat's email to me at 2:30AM, I am not done w/ VPI. I was
just momentarily pissed like many in this thread have been.....

I have faith that they will resize my sideweights so they don't bang
into my VTA tower and that they will come up with a counterweight
that fits, will work with my cartridge and maybe give me a counterintuitive
if I'm lucky.

VPI has their issues, but it's obvious that at their core, you have
"good people" doing their best ...but struggling with the small details
and releasing product probably before they really should. This results
in "field testing" with the consequence being the customer dropping major
coin only to end up with a music free evening coupled with excess
teeth-gnashing.....

Here is an interesting statistic for those who might be interested.
First of all, I think Stereophile magazine is to be taken with a grain of
salt at best when it comes to recommended components.....but I find it
very interesting that if you take the value of all class A turntables listed
and divide it by their number, the average turntable in class A costs 39550.00
and 90 percent of them DO NOT INCLUDE A TONEARM....

In that group is the VPI Classic 3 that does include a tonearm and it did not
take the 3D arm to get it a Class A rating from Michael Fremer......

Put a 3D Arm on it and you are still around 8000 retail and you have arguably
one of the best arms out there.......

A 3D armed Classic 3 still at 1/5th the cost of all the armless class A tables!!
Stick that on your facebook page VPI.......

Once I get my arm fixed, I will be a VPI fan once again........