New TT or new Cart? Technics content


Signal chain:
Fully upgraded KAB Technics 1200 / AT 440 MLA
Parasound Hint6 (integrated Phono)
DIY Mogami Cables
KEF LS50 (w/ PSA subwoofer)

Options that i'm considering: 
With the full TT upgrades, I likely have the equivalent of the 1200GR (to within an acceptable range).  I guess the first question would be - can I get more performance out of this setup with a new cart?  Thinking AT150MLX, Hana SL, etc. 

1200G?  Most costly, probably need a matching cart.  Probably the biggest exponential jump in terms of performance. 

Dual subwoofers?  KEF / REL?  The hint6 will drive 2 separately.  I'm currently using HT Bypass and running a single sub.

What do you think is the best bang for the buck upgrade?


martinman

Showing 8 responses by chakster

You have to completely rewire your Technics first (internally too), then add Isonoe feet and SAEC SS-300 mat, and try mid or high compliance vintage MM (not MC) cartridges - this is the best for Technics lightweight tonearm. Upper models from Grace, Stanton, Pickering are absolutely amazing on this tonearm. I have the same turntable, look in my system. If you need advice for a killer MM cartridge for this tonearm send me a message, I will be happy to help. I have AT cartridges too, but better models. Tried over 50 different cartridges on this tonearm/turntable, still use this TT when I test cartridges (I have better turntables in my main system). I tried a few $3-5k LOMC on this turntable and ended up with vintage MM. Technics MM cartridges were very nice on this tonearm. 

Actually your fluid damper designed for High Compliance cartridges, your AT is mid compliance.

Try to find superb cartridge first, you can change turntable later.

The weak points of old technics are poor wires and feet.


The TT has already been upgraded:
Feet, dampening, tonearm rewire, outboard power supply. I’ve done it all.

Great! Another cartridge is always a good idea. Stanton 881s is a killer for the money, especially NOS, great for Technics tonearm (Kevin at KAB will tell you the same).

With two SUBs (if your room is not huge) you can only cause more problems with standing waves, if you want to improve the sound without changing your analog rib then think about proper room treatment.

I’m watching this channel, there are so many information about room treatment, bass is the most serious problem in any room, if you have no room treatment you have to think about it first, because if you feel a lack of bass with one sub it can be a room. You can use this calculator to see your room modes.
The key is the room size and the right placement of two subs if needed to fight the room modes, just another sub will not solve the problem in a small room.

For a small room even one sub is a big problem. It’s impossible to solve the bass issues in a small room, from what I’ve learned the 8 ft size of the ceiling (typical for North America) is terrible height for a ceiling in a listening room. In a small room it's better to use a bookshelf speakers or near field monitors without sub. 

My room is big with a high ceiling and I don’t use any subs. However, I want to study more about room acoustics, sadly we don’t have an experts on audiogon, room acoustics (and room treatment) it’s very interesting topic.


It’s a very large room 15x30x9 (15 across the front). It’s a general purpose space for entertaining so, I can’t put up walls or anything. Not sure if room treatment would be effective?

Mine is a kind of irregular shape with cut corner on the rear wall, simplified size is about 19 x 19.3 x 10.7 ... Room treatment is a very effective tool to improve the quality.

In your room you have to find the right placement of your sub and the whole setup for optimal playback, especially if you want to improve the bass. So the bass traps is the first thing to start with and it will not cost you much. Also absorbing panels on first reflection points (walls and ceiling). Some companies can offer free room analysis (or for a very modest cost).

If you never did it with one sub and 2 channel playback then don’t add another sub!

If you have a home theater setup in this room then it is even more problematic.

You have no idea what you’re trying to "cancel" and how if you don’t have a proper measurements and room analysis made by professionals in the actual room!

Low frequency is the problem for ANY room and if you want to see it use this calculator (add your room size).
Chakster, that calculator is totally worthless. It does not help you do anything. There are other variables that it totally ignores.


If your room is standard shape with parallel walls then you will see room models using this calculator, there are other options.
Chakster, martinman has a much better room for bass than you have. Equal dimensions are the worse thing you could ever have. No amount of room treatment is going to deal with the long wavelengths. 100 Hz is 10 feet. Room treatment deals with frequencies above 200 Hz at best and it is very important but, for bass it is the room size, dimensions and construction that matter most. The single best way to deal with room nodes is multiple subwoofers. Martinman’s integrated has a full 2 channel 2 way subwoofer cross over built in and an excellent phono stage. The Hint 6 may be the absolute best value in audio amplification out there.

Rectangular room is indeed better. But you guys are crazy about subs!

My room is not square, so the given size is simplified, actually it’s irregular shape with cut corners and a door on the back wall that can be opened while I’m listening to the music (behind the door I have more space for low frequency to be vented out of the room to the huge corridor.

Anyway, maybe I will start a separate topic about room acoustics. I have room a treatment and working on it for better results. But it’s always a compromise between interior design and sound. Actually I have a second (rectangular) room in my flat and my old system was there. I prefer my bigger room now and it’s closer to the square shape, but not square.

Actually my room is on the boarder of yellow and green zone HERE>, so I'm good @mijostyn

Chakster -I don't mean to create thread drift but this thread is as good as any-I would love to know a bit more about you. You live in St. Petersburg but how old are you and what do you do for a living if you don't mind my asking? And even perhaps a bit more personal but do you own your own freestanding home (I ask because of your generously sized listening room). And yet one more-can you comment on the audiophile community in your area of Russia? Is there one?


@fsonicsmith Hope you're not recruited by KGB. Anyway, in the current situation in my country we do not have to post as much about personal life on an open forum. But I'll tell you that the audiophile community is HUGE, and yes, I own my flat in the building. The rest you can check in my virtual system.