New sonus faber Cremona M version


Hi

Saw that sonus faber has made a new version of the cremona called the cremona M.

Have enybody heard thise .

thanks
tda2200

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Looks like franco serblin is on the move again making speakers.

Thank god

http://www.francoserblin.it/inglese.html
Hi branimir

The point anout the grills make sense

The klimax amps stay no matter what
i have heard the smaller klimax twin on cremonas and i absolutly loved the sound the cremonas completly balanced the klimax amp out .

The klimax amps are very transperant and the kvality of the source is of abmost importans and i thing its here much of the coldness comes into play .

I know this for a fact since when i demoed the klimax amp we tried a lot of combinations

Its really a tuff on because i still need the new cremona M speakers to have a varm balanced sound to make them work best in my system.

Just read some more comments on the elipsa there seem to be many people that say it has that human warm midrange/top that many love about sonus faber speakers in general
And also that the elipsa are Full sounding wich is also good for the Klimas amps,

The vifa tweeter that used in the elipsa and the new cremona m is musch more smoth sounding compared to the scanspeak version in the strad and anniversario

Both versions is manufactored here in my home country denmark and i have heard many speakers that have the scanspeak version i have also owend the gamut l3 speaker wich have that tweeter.

Still need input for one ho have heard them

thanks
Hi pinkus

What frontend did you use ?

Well it dossent really matter enyway becaus i have heard the cremona 3 way with both klimax chakra twin and chakra c2200 and loved the sound and that was matters and i trust my ears more then enything else.

But enyway the word from the linn comunities is that dont even think about the klimax amps if you do not intend to use top notch front end otherwise you will end up with glarish sound so actually you get a better sound from lesser amplifires.

Every time i heard klimax amps or chakra we used the unidisk sc as both source and preamp.

We did alos one time try the majik frontend and cd player on the chakra c2200 and it sounded much to bright and sharp.
Pinkus

Not to be disrespectfull

Just read some of you comments on how important the preamp is you state that when you hit the 5000 usd mark it dossent get eny better .

every one that have experinces with highresolusion swiching amplifires know that that issent tru at all

ALL the swiching amplifires i have heard including nuforce ref 9 se V2 and kharma mp150 and various linn amps have all been xtremly sensitive to the front end used going from glarish brigt unbareble sound to smooth dynamic fantastic sound from the same amplifire.

Source first is the english school i do agree with that to some point but if you have a tube amplifire that colours the sound the difference will peroberly not be as clear.
Hi semi

There is a picture in the bottom

http://www.lydogbilde.no/high-end-2007-munchen-del-i.507378.html

Its in norwegin

but its says new 7 inch bass drivers directly from the stradivari new twetter the same as in the elipsa and the midunit the say is from the stradivari as well but that i think is wrong i think its from the elipsa also.
it has also grown in all dimensions.

People and sonus faber team says its alot better then the old one
Maybe it is maybe it issent what i do know is franco had nothing to do with the creation of it .

But the coolest thing is that this new speaker costs almost the same as the old cremona.

Its almost to good to be true
maybe it dossent have soul like the old cremona only better hifi i dont know but i sure looks interresting.

regards
Sorry the actually did say that the mid unit is the same as in the elipsa

I liv in denmark the home off scanspeak and vifa and the word on the street is the new scanspeak midunit is very very very good maybe without equel.

regards
Hi pinkus

Well what ever floats your boat.

But i absolutly did not hear what you describe infact the klimax sounded sweat even with neutral sounding speakers .

As for the two sources you used i dont know them so cant comment

what i do know is that i have heard the chakra twin many times and the cheaper c2200 chakra and the resulst with different frondends where profoundly different.

I love the sound of the klimax amps and epecialy with the cremonas ,and there was not even a hint of hardnes or edeginess and the ears never lie.

But if you really beleive that the klimax amps was to bright with the cremonas wich are a very forgiven and varm sounding speaker then somthing must be wrong in you system because then every one without warm sounding speakers would have hearing damaged by now.

Regardin cabels this we agree on.

I see this is pointless we all have different ears and tasts glad you found somthing you liked better in nagra and me in the klimaxes

peace
Hi joey

I have heard the cremona many of times and you are right there is somthing about that speaker.
It has somkind of magic in it
i ones read somwhere that sonus faber speakers like the amati with the right gear can actually sing.

Well i thourgt it was a bit strange to say but i heard them cremona do the same thing with linn klimax chakra twin amp with unidisk 1.1 fronend hard to describe but easy to hear .

There are different kinds off audiophils , there are those that dont like sonus faber speakers because the are not the best at the hifi things ,and there are those that like sonus fabers because the are not so good at the hifi things. but masterpieces in musical reproduction.

Franco serblin diddent see the speakers as a devices that could bring you as close to the recording as possible wich pretty much is the goal for many hfi audiophils , but as somthing that could recreat the emotion in the music.
Have he did it i dont know but he did and thats why sonus faber are where the are today and why those that like sonus fabers love them.

thanks
One thing is for sure i wil not buy the new cremona m unless i have heard it first.

I know that im in love with the sound of the old cremona 3 way and i know that it is a match made in heaven with my soon to arrive klimax solos .
But again if the new cremona still have the maigic and smooth topend it would make sence to get those instead.

Some time ago when i sold on of my lyngdorf audio tda2200 amps i had a long talk to the frather of the guy who bourgt the amp, he had the orginal guanaeri and had the priveledge to listen to the new memento for one month to deside wether to buy it or not.

He liked the old one better and keept it.
Hi joey

Regarding the kvality of the source with cremonas your are so absolutly right.
if that makes it a hifi spekaker well then it is.

Its very easy to get a muddy topend with those cremonas also with lesser amplifires it can sound much to full dark and slow and grani.

But its not a analytical speakers thats for sure to me it plays music above all.
This actually puts many hfi people off becasue for those people music is only a instrument to test the given systems preformans.

I think that its also a speaker that will be responsiv to every thing in the audio chain and will sound better and better when you move up in kvality of source
and amps .

The new cremona m may have been designed so is better hifi wise but dos it still lest you concentrade on the music i dont no but im dying to find out.

thanks
Hi branimir

Just read the specs on the new cremona M it seems that it only goes down to around 40 hz can this really be true ?
because the old whent down to 32 hz i read somewhere that the new m should be more capeble in the bass how can this be when it dossent go as low ?
Hi pinkus regardin cables lets just put it this way i have been down that road and spend a redicuasly amout off money .
one day i put my trusty old unterminated taralabs solid cobber cabels just to see how worse the where and i actually preferred them to the expensiv ones.

Sorry for my limited english skills im a dane i thourgt lean meant bright ann egdy.

Regarding klimax amps is a done deal for some reason i ge thardbeating and gooesspots all over every time i listen to them in other wrds i love the sound.
And i have listend to ALOT of gear through the years but never nagra.

maybe in a couple of years IF i will get tired of the klimax amps then i maybe should take a good listen to the nagra gear i have heard great things not just from you .

but again with klimax amps the source is very important and its here the sound is make or brake .
linn will soon put out a replacment for the sondek cd12 wich used hardisk play back this player is on top of my list when it comes out .

regards
Hi

From what i was told the intire SF cremona line is going out of production and the new M models is taking over.

It sure looks great.

I have done alot of speculation regarding the new models.

Now from what i understand the new m models uses better drivers there for it it should be better .

Im from denmark the home of Vifa, Scanspeak, peerleees ,Dynaudio , Skaaning/ audio Technologies , gamut and so on
The general oppinion is that is not the drivers that makes the magic its the designers craftmanship you will hear.

besides that
The org cremona uses all scanspeak revelator units wich are from the top shelf of scanspeak
thise hand sliced units are scanspeaks absolut best units Today and are much superior and cost more the the units in the amati homage.

The cremona dossnet use the scanspeak tweeter but the vifa xt25 .
Many here in denmark including me thinks that the vifa tweeter sounds more smooth then the Scanspeak version.

The org cremona toke 3 years to developed and it was franco serblin at his peak that designed it.

The new M version cant have taken that much time to develop.

Maybe it is indeed better but i have heard birds singing about sonus faber wandting to make money now thats why the come with new speakers all the time and why the dont spend much time on developing new speakers

I hope im wrong
Hi kops

Sorry for my limited english skills spelling is my weak side.

You`r absolutly right about the new cremona M it may very well sound fantastic.
The elipsa are getting rave reviews and comments Especialy for the mid/tweeter unit.

But unless the use better kval crossover components i have my doubts if its better in every way.

What i love about org cremona is its musicality it just brings joy in me
if this aspekt is not keept in cremona M i have no interrest in it no matter how impressing it may be in other areas.

Gryphon is the one danish brand i dont no enything about but i have not yet heard an older amplifire that betterd the newer model version.

Kops i know you own the amati anniversario wich where conceived by the new RD department of SF .
this may sound like and much to straightfull questian but do you think that the new amati still have the musical and emotinal sound wich i seem to cherish so much about serblins sonus faber creations . ?

regards
Hi all

heads up

talked to my sonus faber dealer today he have heard the new M cremona

He actually said it sounded very similar to the old cremona
but its more tight in the bass Yet even more dynamic.
The bass should be more controlled and not as boomy.

It still have that honey midrange and a topend that is oh so right .

He was actually raving about this speaker .

He also told me that the new auditor will be much bigger then the old one

Allso that SF will make som new wall mounted speakers with the eliptik shape.

But as every thing goes with speakers i need to hear them to know how the really act.

regards
Well i have just spoken to the swedish sonus faber distributor
Its seems that its not even fully developed yet and will first be ready for shipping hopefully in spetember .

The pair in munich was a prototype and was only assembeld for the show.

So i ges that sonus faber dealer i wisited today have been blowing smoke up my ass.
Hi branimir thanks for sharing you thourgts.

I actually think that the new cremona will be much closer soundwise to the orginal one compared to the old amati vs anniversario.
The amaties uses completly different drivers.

Both cremonas uses the same spicies ringradiator tweeter and scanspeak midunit.

Somthing i have noticed with the org Cremona is it has a way of pulling you into the music.
forget about the coloration and The forgiven topend thats only miner things
what i mean is its way off presending the music itself.

At an all day demo with both the auditor and the 3 way driven by linn chakra c2200 and unidisk SC this is what i heard.

To me it starts out sounding almost exactly like the cremona auditor letting you enjoy the beginings fully , then when the music builds up it showes more an more power gradially pulling you in and then when the music klimaxes the room is filled with beatiful sound .

This is what a musical speaker can do it enhances the emotion in the music
How this is technially done i dont know but i think its by designing the crossover to act a surthen way.

I know that im not the first reporting this and this kvality from a speaker is why im into sonus faber speakers.

99% of the seakers i have listend to dosent do this the are more like magnifiring glasses that lest you study sound making you mind pay atension to the detajls instead of the music.

Lest hear what people say when the compare the old to the new head on.
Hi joey

My SF dealer informt me that the Cremona M is ready for shipment and could be dileverd within a week.

The auditor was not yet aveileble.

The auditor is one hell of a small two way speaker to my ears it sounds very similar to the floorstander
but the floorstander are much more capeble when in dynamic and bass.
But overalle the share the same sound

I havent heard the anniversario or the elipsa so i have no way off knowing how the new cremona sounds.

What i dont understand is why sonus faber are making speakers that sound so much different then the speakers that have made sonus faber souch a respected speeaker company.
Hi joey

i also dont think that the org cremona line will loss value in a major way becaus the will proberly sound signifently different.
Remember it was franco serblin that made the auditor .

By the way those enyone know if the new tweeter in the elipsa and the new cremona line are a Vifa unit as in the org cremona or a scanspeak revelator unit as in the strad ?

It looks like the scanspeak r29 rinradioator based apone on the spike in the middel but maybe its just the spike that is from scanspeak r29

thanks
one other thing

On sonus fabers own homepage the old cremonas woffers are 2 *18 cm woffers exactly the same as the new cremona.

But on other sides ithe specs for the old cremona are 15 cm woffers.
Why is that ?

Regarding the sizes to the two cremonas is the new one really larger ?

Looking at the specs and drawing the spece for the new is hight 112cm but that is when you tilt it back.

Was the old cremona measured that way also ?

Also i have studid the two cremona on same size pictures and the new one really dont seem bigger when you look at the drivers vs cabinet size.

Enyone that can help me answer thise questians ?

regards
I think i will buy the new cremona M i a couple off weeks when the finanses is ready unless somone hears it in the mean time and say the are horrible and bright.

maybe the build on the cremonas strong points but just sound better plain and simple just as you describe with the old homage vs the anniversario.

It will take forver before i get a chance to demo the M versions on linn klimax amps
im also getting a pair off yter cables for free from my sf dealer if i buy the new m version.

Only thing that buggers me is that the Klimax amps sounds so damm beatiful with the old cremonas namely because off the romantic forgiven tweeter in the cremona.
If this kvality have changed in a big way with the new M version the system balance may be ruiend .

The topend/tweeter from the speakers is the most important aspect for me if it stiks out to much its xtremly annoying and completly ruins music listning because i keep hearing it instaed off the music.

This the org cremona have completly avoided.

Jeff jarvis then spill the beans how did the sound ??

Are you sure the where the new version and where did you hear them besides that it was in bangkok ?

You hearing them a month ago contradicts strongly with what every dealer importer and so on i have said.
Here is a some more news

http://www.audiotechnique.com/chc/309/309.htm

scrool down a littel No thats a cremona M with wires in it

I translated the text here it is

In order to celebrate Italy to have a fever speaker brand Sonus Faber to be located the Hong Kong intermediate belt all father to benefit the street 1 901 room exhibition rooms to be open for business, deep and clear ? uncommon president Cesare Bevilacqua especially flies to Hong Kong from Italy to carry on the ribbon cutting ceremony, Cesare this line of another single layers if must recommend two section for the Hong Kong fan to stem from the brand-new design troop brushwork the speaker product, first section named Elipsa, three group three unit designs, the 260mm bass unit inspires the plate material to select the light quality quantity aluminum/magnesium alloy, the crosswise -like development sandwich sound box surface ? on fine selects the maple tree which elects thin to bark.

Another section is take long-term sale Cremona as a foundation, from inside to the outside passes through comprehensive innovation in the Cremona M, M is a Modify word in simple form, the sound box back line appears the little change, is helpful to strengthen the sound proliferation, uses the metal founding the foot rest shape also to pass through slightly modifies, provides the better center of gravity distribution, in addition divides the sound also to make the appropriate readjustment, four unit qualities maintain invariably.


Cesare
Declared he has spent period of quite long time, has carefully compared the new old Cremona difference, draws the conclusion is the Modify edition low frequency has the good under potential, takes in and puts away the counter-strain sprightly, timbre trim as before outstanding.If your excellency desire plans the promotion replacement medium place speaker, individual suggestion arrives Sonus the Faber exhibition room to listen to these two section newest products first, only then does finally reaches a verdict.

if im reading this right the new cremona is truly a better speaker the the old because the have compared the two extensivly.
And that the new cremona is just as good as the elipsa.
Hi branimir

Actually no i do not owen them
i have been fooling my self because i was so keend on buying them that i actually proclamid i had them so my indendity was based on me having them
Kind off foolish i see ; ) sorry for the missleading.

I decided to buy klimax solos first because the where the key to the sound i wanted and then waith for a secondhand pair to pop up here in denmark but now its all getting confusing because of the new cremona M

But i have heard the cremona extensivly many times in different setups and different locations
Best sound i heard was with linn chakra amp thats why i bourgt the solos.

Many dealers carrie both linn and sonus faber espicialy here in denmark for good reason.

Pinkus the price should be almost the same only a slight increase .
And pinkus pleas lets not start the linn sonus faber/Preamp ,source war all over again ; ).

regards
Herd them yestoday

The where almost brand new out of the box with only a few houres of run in
The setup was the new merantz reference fronend and mono blocks costing a fortune.

First of the are absolutly beauitful.

But the sound disapointed me greatly.

Bass was very very good ,ok musical but now impressiv, midband sounded as if it wassent there and was overall very lean, and the twetter had all wrongs scanspeak ringradiator are known for , top bright and sharp ,and throwing razor sharp overtones at you that are like needels in my ears.

It diddent sound like a sonus faber at all not even sligtly.

The room was pretty good the system was op notch and diffently not why the disapointing sound.

Il go back when the have had around 300 hours of run in time, but at this point the really need to have changed alot to make me like them better then the old.
The show potintial to be more hifi then the old but on the sacrifice of the old cremonas musical magic.

lest see in a weeks time.

Franco where are you ?
Sorry for the some what clumsy writing i accindetly posted it before i had edited it.
(and im danish)
I had very high hops for this one
The dealers sonus faber man warned me greatly not to come by and listen before a weeks time but just couldent help myself and he was not there so i talked another sales person into letting me here them and see them (or should i say drowl).

The look absolutly berlissimo and the where placed right beside the amati anniversario in graphite.
I remember when i actuned the org cremona , i thourgt it looked kinda ikea silly compared to the amati anni .
But the new one really has got the superstar looks.

Actually the irony of it all is that i bourgt my current setup composing of linn klimax gear because of the sound it produced when put through the org cremona.
That experince left me very moved and it all just clicked for me i beleive i experinced a musical epifany.
I thourgt it was only caused by the cremonas but living with the klimax gear for some time now i know it was the two combined and today i feel like never parden with my solos.

Now sonus faber destroyd my littel plan by putting out a new cremona m.
And the promises of a better preformans and most importantly better preformas in smaller rooms like mine that is 17 sq meters i just have to give them a good listen again before deciding.
But overall i was left sad and kinda mad at the new sonus faber team because the took away the very thing that makes franco serblins speakers so special .

I did here a very good musical bass and the had some potential no doubt but the bright tendenci destroyd it for me , and the did not do the singing think wich the org cremona dos with the right gear (the linn klimax gear with linn source. surthely did)

I really hope that a good 300 hours of run in will make them sound more like the sonus faber sound wich most off us love .

thanks
Just found this on hificlub and thourgt it is very interresting and even more so when he had to use the most smooth tubes amps out there to get somkind of balanced sound,

here is one of the reviewers comments.

There remained a few quibbles to solve though, of which the most annoying was a tendency to sound bright, almost on the verge of impertinence, I tentatively attributed to the restlessness of youth.

he Elipsas are more revealing, expressive, explicit, clear, and bold in the way they present music and ambience clues. Maybe too much so if one takes into account the buoyant performance of the ring radiator tweeter
Pinkus i did not here the new ones with linn gear.

As stated 2 times it was marantz gear.

The org cremonas with linn gear do not sound lean at all heard the combi so many times .
the problem lies somwhere else in your system .

My linn gear do not sound bright or lean at all remember i have the solos.
The sound a littel maybe a tiny bit lean with my slimdevices transporter but with my new unidisk the sound just right.
The are the most transperant amps i have ever been exposed to all the frontend i have tried completly changed the tonal balance.

And this is on my tempoary system audio speakers wich are as neutral as speakers comes.

The new ones are indeed the same size but the new grill looks better and the finish also seem better.
Hi jamnesta

Your are absolutly right.

Tomorrow i have book another demo session and the speakers will now have around 300 hours of run in in them.
If the sound more like i want them to il buy im on the spot.
If not i have aready found a 4 month old used pair of the org one in graphite.

Win Win situation..

Il report back tomorrow.

regards
Just got home from the second demo the have now had around 350 hours of musical beating at loude volume.

We tried both with the ear findly primear gear as well as the 50.000 usd marantz setup.

I was even more disapointed then the first time.

This has nothing to do with a musical instrument, or a emotional sound. .
In other words its the opposit of the org cremona.
Its brittel , lean and the mid/top keeps robing my atension with anoying hard sounds.
Honestly after 15 minuts i felt like turining it of and go home.
The diddnet sound horribly but nowhere nere the old cremona .

Im glad i gave it another chance because now i know i have made a very wise move not buying it.

That the magic is franco serblins work and not the brand sonus faber.

I was told that franco serblin did infact more or less design the elipsa, but left soon after , and the new M versions is designed by a completly new team, and it was mighty fast the made the new line.

Im buying a use pair from germany and the will arrive next thursday.
Hi barnimir

Your are absolutly right its my owen oppinion some may disagree with me and like it.

But my oppinion and personal findings are the same none the less.

This may come to you as a chock but i dont like the sound of the anniversary that much , mostly because of its tweeter , i prefere the homage for overall musicality and warmness .

And i prefere the orginal cremona over the amati homage for my linn klimax gear.

Im happly setteling on the cremona because i love there sound ,and see what franco serblin will come out in a couple of years maybe.

regards
My advice is spend all the time it takes to make sure that you make the absolut right decision , dont listen to enybody trust your own ears.

And take reviews with a kilo of salt, dynamic speaker drivers dont improve enormusly as years go by , the magic still lies in the crossover layout and crossover component kvality and have you combine it with the drivers.

The org cremona uses proberly the best drivers in the world namly the top of the line sacn speak revalator units, only moddified, the crossover is mundorf supreme wich is also proberly the the best crossover components in the world.
Just becaue the new one uses different units and cheaper crossover parts dossnet make it better only alot of people will by it because its NEW.

The org cremona is to cheap for what it dos, franco never was a sells man he toke the best there was at a given time and perfected it, as stated before i prefere the cremona over the amati homage.

And basicly the org cremona is also technicaly a better speak , do to the use of the better revelator drivers.
The tweeter in the cremona sounds better then the r2900 version wich is in the stradivari , but its problem is its cheaper there for it must be worse.
But rmember this unit was higly moddified and has littel to do with the stock vifa xt25.
I like it better becaue its much more silky and smooth, and less detaljd/analytical.

Luckily for us sonus faber placed the cremona under the homage series and gave it a cheaper look and finish and there for the price was set low.
Not my meaning to kick the dead horse here , but i whent back not to listen to the Cremona M again but buying some other stuff.

But listend to them again, and the sounded the same, and NOT to my likeing.
We tryed 3 different amps and frontends, some amps where monoamps costing 30.000 other where tube amps and different sources from mcintosh to primare to krell , and it all sounded pretty much the same.

I was completyly baffeld by this becaue the org cremona was so sensitiv to what the where driven with.

This telles me that you can not tweak the new cremona m to sound better

In my book the better the speaker the more different it will sound with what gear you drive it with.

Eny way its my personal findings others may disagree but take my advice do listend to both before buying
Hi pinkus

I really wanted to like the cremona M , and since its suppose to be easyer to install in smaller rooms i spend alot of time and efforts to test it to see if i could get them to sound in the same ballpark as the old.

But the did not, bass is good but rest has no similaritys to the orginal one, infact it was steril transperant and bright.

My dealer is very alternativ and his price for the new was the same as the orginal one so my option is not money dependent.

The org one is clearly suppirior to my ears, and ALOT more musical and much more coherd sounding.
And it has that magic with voices.

Some may say hey it has to be better since its a newer design.

But remember this the new one was designed by a completly new team , infact i may be that teams first try out , and franco serblin had nothing to do with it.
Secondly it was created over a pretty short time maybe 5 month at best.

Franco gave the old one 3 years.

Secondly the orgnial one used the best drivers, and uses top kvality mundorf suprem crossover components wich the new one dos not from what i have been told.

The new one is clearly a make money speaker,
the org one was franco doing what he dos best making emotional sounding speakers using whatever was best at that time. and then left other to decide have much it shall cost.

If you look at the grand piano and compare it to the cremona it seems that the price increasse it purly component cost.
Thst as freaking miracle in audio.

If you like the sound of your cremonas keep them.

Take it from me the price of the M was the same for the orginal one through my dealer and i fullhardly chose the org one.

regards
Hi analog kid

Absolutly i like the auditor very much, it sounds identical to the cremona only the big cremona has the amazing dynamics.

But the both share the same nonefatigueing top and almost wet sounding midrange.
Yes I would say the auditor has the magic but the big cremona are more emotional.

In my search for speakers i heard 4 different speakers from audio physics.

Also there top of the line chronos.

I liked them but wassent blowaway, the smaler ones where the best, dont know why but the side fireing bass just dont sound right to my ears.

The are good speakers better then many but in the end the sounded just to plain.

Thnaks
Hi analog kid

Try reading the hificlub review he pretty much says the exact same as i do.

And the elipsa sounds better then the cremona m

http://www.hificlube.net/common/ver_artigo.asp?id_artigo=1801&seccao=Audiofilia%20Aguda&subseccao=Audiofilia%20Aguda
Today i receive my cremona ladies and im so happy.

Besides the fact that the are absolutly beatuful, the sound amazing right out of the box.

This puzzels me becaue the are brand new out of the box serial with nr 3800 somting .
Its one of the last pairs ever produces, and i was lucky the disbutiator in germany still had one pair left.

The dont sound bright , dull , slow , dark , or boomy the just sound emotinal and so damm musical.

Nothing like the new one.

Enyway have much run in time do the need before the are fully runned in ?

In the manuel its only stated that the will sound better and better with time just like a acoustic instrument.

But nothing specicaly.

eny pointer would be nice.

regards
Hi kops

Thanks for the pointers

Im running them in with all kinds of music but today i put on the Gladiator movie soundtrack wich have some really really deep sound effects.

I run them with linn klimax 500 solos wich are the deep bass slam and dynamic headroom champions and the bass preformas im getting blows my mind its the deepest , most dynamic bass i have ever heard.

Infact the klimax/cremona paring is producing the sweetest tunes thise ears have ever heard.

I wonder what happens in the next 8 days and when i get the klimax DS.

Im getting the yter interconnects, but i use kimber 8tc jubileum version wich have been factory terminated with the special Neutrik Speakon 4 connectors i need for my klimaxes, and it dos every thing i want from a speaker cable and its musical sound fits my system perfectly.
But the yter ic is better then all of kimber interconnects and bested many others including kubala sosna.

regards