New sonus faber Cremona M version


Hi

Saw that sonus faber has made a new version of the cremona called the cremona M.

Have enybody heard thise .

thanks
tda2200

Showing 9 responses by branimir

Hmm... I am not so sure about that... My distributor will have them in July. First production run is Maple finish only. Graphite will follow in September... It is also about 800Euros more expensive on my market then previous version.
IMHO new Cremona M will be at least little bit better then old one.
Regarding "Hot" treble character-you can listen to then with grill-on(in fact I listen to my Anniversario's with grill-on) as a option. I can tell you one thing highs are also very open on Anniversario's as well. I audition Elipsa and found it pretty good but, I do not like the way those elliptic cabinets(Stradivari as well) develope soundstage...

Your Linn amp can really be little bit too cold or analytic for any new Sonus Faber speaker(Cremona M, Elipsa or Amati Anniversario). You can compesate with "warm" speaker cables(a la Cardas Golden Cross) but, IMHO this is a wrong way.
If you want a good amp for new Cremona M choice is pretty big but, for me here is a short list:

Audio Research HD220/REF3 combo
Audio Research REF110/REF3 combo
Ayre V1xe/K1xe
Gryphon Diablo int. amp
Krell FBI int. amp
Pass X250.5/X1 combo

Or maybe some Plinius amp like SB-301?

You can add Yter cables and you will have pretty nice sounding system...
Not only tweeter but, all drivers and crossover as well as some cabinet changes. New grilles(like the one on Amati Anniversario) and different back side of a speaker.
Different crossover points... Should I go on?

Oh yes, NOT retrofitable at all in old Cremonas...
I will jump in here and try to answer the question about Amati Anniversario emotional impact...
One of my friends who owns Amati Homage visited me sometimes ago to listen new Anniversario's. At that time I was auditioning Krell FBI int.amp with ARC REF CD7 cd player connected with Acrolink cables to Anniversario's. In his opinion sounds was "too modern, with too tight bass and way too many highs...". He left not impressed at all.
Second day in the morning he called me and said to me "that his Amati Homage sounded much worst latter yesterday when he got home and audition same CD that we were playing on my system(BTW, that CD is Hugh Masekela Hope-track 12 Stimela-IMHO excellent jazz/world music recording)!" He changed his opinion since he said that new Anniversario's are producing much more details without sounding bright at all... Accomodation period I guess...
In the end he sold Amati Homage and bought new Anniversario's as well...
In the end I would describe Anniversario's sound as "Modern and romantic" at the same time! These are not perfectly neutral speakers and you need to learn to live with some minor colorations(if you can not, there are many excellent alternatives). But, they really sound great if other members of your system are capable enough!
For me there is no doubt at all-Anniversario's are much better and complete speaker then old Homage.
TDA2200,
You own old Cremona's?
Then you know that size of its woofers is 18cm... Yes, same as new Cremona M. New one use aluminium woofers, same material as Amati Anniversario, Stradivari or Elipsa...

New Cremona M is really 4cm higher on new feets. It really is little bit bigger.
New Cremona M is very, very different then original Cremona.
Here are technical details about Cremona M:
3 way
Crossover frequencies 400Hz/2300Hz
Freq. response 40Hz-30kHz
4ohms
50w-250w
1120mm H x 225mm W x 565mm D
73kg/pair netto

So, it is bigger, heavier and use completely different drivers and crossover...
BTW, new tweeter is also from Vifa and is similar to Elipsa tweeter, it is completely different in every way then original Vifa tweeter in Cremona. Midrange unit in new Cremona M is the same as Elipsa'a and again completely different then original Cremona unit. Only thing that is similar is the fact that both are produced by Scanspeak...

Sound of new Cremona M is closer to Elipsa or Amati Anniversario then to old Cremona's...
"Hi branimir

Just read the specs on the new cremona M it seems that it only goes down to around 40 hz can this really be true ?
because the old whent down to 32 hz i read somewhere that the new m should be more capeble in the bass how can this be when it dossent go as low ?"

Answer is simple as possible-SF was lying to us before! Elipsa is rated 35Hz and I can tell you it is going far deeper in bass then original Cremona... Franco Serblin was a true fan of overoptimistic frequency range data... Few examples my Amati Anniversario's are rated till 24hz but, in room(with room gain!) they go to 25Hz(-3db) and 20Hz is at -10db, Guarneri Memento is rated till 39Hz...

Do not worrie. new Cremona M goes deeper then old one. Problem is that SF was lying before(or publishing overoptimistic data...).

Personally, I am glad that new designer Paolo Tezzon is telling us only true... Good sign and good sound as well if I judge his work on Elipsa.
Pinkus,

New Cremona M is 40Hz-30kHz(anechoic) and old Cremona is rated to 32Hz(in room!).

Also John Atkinson room is pretty bass friendly(nice room gain).

BTW, if you look John Atkinson review of Amati Anniversario you will see that Anniversario do not go any deeper in bass in his room then old Cremona. BUT, in my room(almost 40m2) difference in bass definition, depth and tightness between Anniversario and old Cremona are night and day, belive me!
Elipsa also has better bass to my ears then old Cremona but, it is rated only to 35Hz(anechoic)...

Point is with room gain new Cremona M will go deeper then old one, at least IMHO...
Tda2200,
It is your VERY SUBJECTIVE opinion.

To my ears new Cremona M is a better speaker then old version. New one sounds IMHO to some degree like Amati Anniversario and that is a nice thing.

Even old Cremona sound lean if you compare it to Stradivari Homage for example.
You like old schools SF sound? Then either Stradivari or Guarneri Memento could be for you since both to my ears sound as close as possible to old school SF sound...