I bought a Criterion, and I'm going to receive it at the end of February. But now I'm not shure, because, after I read the posts, I think that there is no one Criterion sent for any customer.
I have a Gamut set up, with 2 GamuTs D200 in bi-amp, and I'm shure that my new set up, with 1 Model 312, will be much, much better.
I decided to buy the JRDG devices after I read the messages in this Forum. |
I just finish the test with the Krell 222 and the 202 as well. I could say the Criterion's sound stage is UNBEATABLE.
Now I have total confidance in this wonderfull device.
The best preamplifier I have heard. |
So I'll receive my Criterion on time (I hope). Of course I can wait more time for the remote control.
Thank you very much, man.
I'm from Rio de Janeiro. And today start the Carnival in Brasil, with the most beautifull women in the world.
May I ask if you think that the Model 312 is really amazing? My loudspeakers are the 802D. |
My Criterion just arrived. I hope the Criterion works much better than my GamuT 3Di pre-amplifier, because people say that after JRDG was sold for chineses, they lost his beautiful sound. I will see. |
I heard those words in a couple of movies that were English spoken: Get lost, Guidocorona... |
He's a new friend that I knew only after I got my Model 312. I bought my Capri from a musician times ago, and the pre stay with me for about 600 hours. When I decided to have a pre with 2 pairs of XLR outputs, for bi-amp, I bought the pre D3i and 2 stereos D200 from GamuT.
I demo the Odin power cord for a couple of days, but I'll keep my Valhallas. The Valhallas IMO is more strong, as I prefer.
In a couple of week I will demo the Odin XLR.
Let's see.
And, Pinkus, sorry if I disturb you, kid. |
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IMO with the factory power cord, the Criterion sounds better with battery, but the best sound is with a top line power cord.
I'd like to speah English well to decribe with more words the magnificent sound of the Criterion and the Model 312.
Take care, bros. |
Yes, will be my pleasure... after my English lessons. |
A friend of mine ask me to listen to his Ayre KX-R preamplifier. He said it's better than the Criterion. I'll go tonite to his home, but I doubt, because IMO the Capri is the same or even better than the Ayre. Let's see. |
Let's go.
Yesterday, I took my Criterion to my friend's house. And my Capri also, because I would like to sell my old Capri to him if he likes better than his Ayre.
IMO the Criterion is 200% better than the Ayre KX-R. The sound stage is much stronger and transparence. My old Capri, with 2.000 hours, I could say soud the same with the KX-R. So I didn't sell it. Better, I'll keep it with me by pleasure.
The cables was all Valhalla, except for the speakers cables that was a Reference Musical Cable (good stuff, anyway, from Dinamarq).
His amplifier is also the Model 312, and the source was the CD-3 from GamuT. |
A couple of days ago, I received my Model 312. I was a little afraid to buy it, but I read in another sector of Audiogon that "the sound of the 312 is so transparency that is hard to believe that there isn't tubes hidden inside". Then I buy one. That is true. The Model 312 is one of the best stuffs I've buy in my life.
I have the Odin power cord. |
Naaahh, Pinkus, using the KX-R as a hammer to hit some nails into your wall is a crapshoot at best.
You can keep this preamp if you want. Very beautifull sound, no doubt about that.
On another note, I always think that flat cables for speakers was a bad technologie because only very few companies make those cables, but I think I'm very wrong, because if Jeff Rowland uses the Odin flat cables in his speakers, this cable must be extremely good. |
No, the remote control AND the Criterion's Manual will send to me later. It's OK, because the software for the Menu is very easy to work. Anyway, JRDG e-mail me that will be soon.
My next step is check if the Ayre 5x is better than my GamuT CD-3. After I've got my JRDG devices I'd like to get the best source I can buy in Brasil. |
I talk with the Esoteric dealer here. They have the X-01D2, and they said to me that Esoteric makes devices for DCS, Pagannini or Puccini, and the Esoteric CD player is much better than DCS.
So I think it's a perfect combination for JRDG. |
The JRDG dealer in Rio just call me. They have received the remote control and the Criterion's manual.
They will bring me both tomorrow.
What is the receiver? Is something inside the Criterion or inside the remote control? |
Guidocorona,
The brasilian dealer for JRDG is located in south of Brasil. After your post I call the store in Rio de Janeiro where I bought my JRDG devices. They didn't have yet the remote control, but it was arrived in Som Maior, the brasilian dealer, and I need to wait few more days. Anyway, that's no problem, because I don't use remote control as I have a custom made wood rack with 6'2'' foot high.
Now, talking with the rep in Rio, he said the remote control WILL BE THE ONLY DEVICE I will receive, but Jeff Rowland send a little and special device to Som Maior to put some software inside the Criterion to be ready for the remote control.
A guy from Som Maior will visit all the customers in Brasil to do that. He will open the Criterion for that.
It's great, because there isn't a external receiver and a extra cable.
Brazcole
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Congratulations, Guidocorona, for your Criterion.
That's great, man.
So if you like remote controls, you will become a little kid when you see the Criterion's transmitter. It's beautifull, much more complete than Capri's remote control. It brings the JRDG signature.
Keep us all posted.
Brazcole. |
I could say I'm a intermediate level audhiophilo, but I'd like to share my discovery.
Before I bought the 802D I had a 803N that I keep with me. Today I was still in shock because of the 270º sound of the MBL 101E that I listen 2 days ago.
I use both channels A and B with 2 pairs of speaker cables in my Model 312 in bi-wiring. I decided to make something to improve my sound. I took my old 803N and bring to my set up. I put it beside the 802D with 50º degree.
First I disconect 1 pair of cable in the 802D and use a link cable. So I conected the disconect cable in the 803N and also use a link cable because now my both speakers are single wiring.
I turn on my set up.
Unbeliable sound. Amazing sound. The sound was in the entire room, like the MBL. Everything improve. The transparency became much better. I don't known English well to have words to explain the HUGE change.
Now I known much better what the Criterion and the 312 can do.
Sorry if what I said isn't new for the audio experts, but I'm still learning (this path is very nice, pal). I read many sections of Audiogon, and I learn with many people, as Guidocorona, Dcstep, Racquel, among others. Now I only want to change my speaker cables and XLR cables. I think Kimber Select could be a good choice.
Anyway, I recomemd you all to have a experience with 2 speakers in 45º or 50º degrees. Amazing!! I'm knocking the heaven doors. |
After I test the Krell 222 and the Krell 202, I decide to test my old GamuT D200. The COMBINATION with the CRITERION was huge, so I put my Model 312 to sell.
My set up with Criterion and GamuT D200 is perfect.
Thank you all for everything. Good bye. |
Yesterday I ask the MBL and Cary dealer to bring to my home the flagship SLP 05 pre-amplifier from Cary to compare with the Criterion. He was excited with the challenge, but after the session he said the Criterion has a more transparency sound and to beat the Jeff Roland only the MBL's top of the line, the USD 20k 6010 pre-amplifier.
Anyway, IMO, the Criterion will beat this device as well. |
I bought the Áudio & Vídeo magazine on a street store. Clubedoaudio.com is the electronic adress for the electronic edition for the magazine above. And I don't subscribe the on-line magazine.
But I have a solution, that means... I can send to you by mail the edition with the Criterion review if you give your adress.
Easy. |
Guidocorona, I'm happy the mail delivery well the magazine. And my little English didn't understand what you wrote below:
old Brazcole and I was just about startin' to get lonesome 'round here. . . wasn't we Braz? (grins!)
Anyway, go for it with the translation for the fellows Audiogoners.
All, a guy in the Brasilian high-end forum said the Krell 202 is better than Criterion. Anyone could say something about the Krell 202?
Guido, take care. |
This gentleman knowns nothing about Criterion. After the Coherence, JRDG had a lack of products here. The Ice Power technologie wasn't well accepeted and, because of this, Capri preamplifier wasn't sold, increasing this lack, and there were rumors that JRDG was sold for the chineses.
As I said in another post, I'm the first, and still the only one, to buy the 312 and later the Criterion.
With this review, in Audio & Vídeo magazine, Som Maior, the JRDG dealer in Brasil, wants rich the market again, because years ago Jeff Rowland had huge succes over here.
As we are third world, only half dozen of brands have reps in Brasil, and Krell is one of them and very strong.
This guy has the 202 preamplifier, and for him is impossible exist a better device. And after the Fernando Andretti review about Criterion he said his opinion.
The personal Andretti's set up is the Accuphase C-2410 pre, 2 Krell Evo 600 and DCS Puccinni CD Player with separeted clock (I'm going to buy the Puccinni for me). |
Thank you guys, and in special for Clavil for the words about dCS products. So I'll get the Puccini and the Puccini clock for shure. Thanks.
I'm gonna to ask the Krell rep (for luck, is the same for dCS products) when he brings me the Puccini after I've buy it to make a demonstration with the 202 preamplifier. Anyway I don't known if he has one for that.
I'll tell you all how the 202 sounds.
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Humm... interesting... the Clavi's observation about Guido's change from Capri to Criterion, because when I was googling some information about the 2 boxes Krell 202 preamplifier, I found something like the project with 2 boxes itsn' so good because the conection cord makes the signal weaker.
Tomorrow I'll ask the Krell rep to bring me the 1 box Krell 222 and not the Krell 202 any more.
Let's see.
And I'd like to compare the Criterion with the Ayre again, because now I'm more realist, without passion. I think the Ayre deserve another chance because some reviewer called this device the 8º wonder of the world.
With this kind of toughts the Puccini with 1 box (or 2 with the little clock) should be perfect. |
Thanks, Clavil / Claude,
I already bought the Puccini & Clock.
Man, no words...No words do decribe. Uau!!
I don't need Scarlatti, Pagannini... or... anything else.
I'll run the test with Krell 222 next Friday.
Keep all post |
You need to do a lot of things to get experience. I think all the guys that are in this path for a long time did many changes.
So I put the 312 again in my set up "just in case", as I didn't sell it for my luck because the price is somethinh hight. After few seconds I start to jump in my room (my wife was in the kitchen) like a kid. Beautiful sound, with strong and deep sound stage. Wonderfull device.
Tomorrow I'll put the GamuT to sell. |
I just try the JRDG powers cords. One first and then the another one. I had before the Valhalla, but I change it for the Harmonix Combak 350, but I keep in mind that the Valhalla is a thin power cord, so the power cord don't need to be thick.
Last week I try the Puccini's stock power cord instead of the Combak. The stock power cord was so better that I leave it in the CD player and I change in the Clock as well.
Today with the Criterion and the Model 312 the same happenned, the stock power cords are better.
I think the factory, when the devices has a very high price , they send together with the device a excellent power cord. Yes, why not? If you pay more or less 20k for something, why not a much better power cord?
Anyway, I have a Caspian Roksan, the price is about 2K, tuner in my system, and when I try the stock power cord it's sounded very worse, the difference is huge, that I leave the Combak in the tuner.
Now, I'm listenning a female heavy metal band called Meldrum. Those girls are amazing. I never imagine that I could listen to a heavy metal band with so much pleasure. |
Happy New Year, man, and congratulation for the Dillon Flugelhorn.
I hope you send to us a link for a movie of you playing music. Of course you don't need to be in the Amazon forest or the wonderfull sand of Namibia, but will be a pleasure listen to your music... soon.
Take care, Guidocorona. |
IMO the Criterion will be for a long time the top of the line. I have heard a lot of preamplifier from others brands. With 1,000 plus hours, the Citerion is the REAL 8º wonder of the modern world ( sorry, Wes Phillips and Ayre).
But, of course, JRDG needs to make money, I mean, they need to sell products that people can afford, so it's very possible a new preamplifier to take the Capri's place. |
Raquel, I don't known if you will come back in this thread, because Guidocorona had answer your question, for what I could understand with my little English, but I bought my Model 312 only because you and Guidocorona wrote very well stuffs about JRDG amplifiers. And because I also read the Model 312 is so sweet that looks like there are tubes hidden inside.
You said in another thread that the best combination is a solid state preamp with tube amplifier and explain the reasons.
When I said that statement in a Brasilian Audio Message Board, the guys said I was wrong and the best combination is the opposite, I mean, a tube preamp with a solid state amplifier. Because severals of them have the Reference 3 or a BAT preamp. As I trust in you because you post many very tech messages, I reply that they were wrong and I transfer your statement from Audiogon (without putting your name) as a review from one of the best reviwer in Audiogon. They still said the reviwer was wrong.
First, is very nice to known that you have a Coherence, because I want to keep my Criterion a lot of years.
And, if it doesn't bother you, could you tell if you still prefer a SS preamp with a tube amp or you change your mind. |
The technology they use is purely incidental...
That's it.
Well done, Guido. |
I got it, Raquel.
Thanks very much. Take care and happy 2010. |
That's fine, because the electronic signature from the 625 or the 925 wil be, more or less, the same signature.
Let's do it, Guido. |
As I have the Model 312 for only 1 year, I can keep it until the review of the future 825.
But I think I known what is the difference from the old 301 and the 302 for the new Class D devices.
Once I read, always in Audiogon forum, there was a PROJECT MISTAKE in the early serie 300 and in others Class D devices, like the 501. And Jeff Rowland projected a little device to use externally together with those amplifiers.
I think it's true, because I found a store, in Dinamarc or Finland, that sells Jeff Rowlands devices on line and they have a observation that you need to buy that little device to use together with the amp to improve the sound and THEY STILL have the price for it as well.
At the same time, they say that the Model 312 has this little device already INSIDE the amp's gabinet.
Because of this I bought the 312 with confidance. |
In my loudspeakers the low frequency of my 312 is hair-raising.
I still have one stereo GamuT D200 MKIII. As we known Gamut is a wonderfull device. At least more or less, I guess.
Side by side, in my set up, I gave C to GamuT and A+ to the 312 in the low frequency region.
So I think it's very good. |
I try my Gamut 200w power amplifier in biamp driving the high frequency of both loudspeakers and the Model 312 driving the low frequency of both loudspeakers.
Before, when I put only low frequency sound (zero high frequency), the 312 had a much better definition.
I think if you have a combination with the future JRDG 625 stereo power amplifier with its 300w drinvig the high and the 312 driving the low it will be the PERFECT MATCH. Something like a audiopholic haven.
Anyone knowns what will be the 625's Maximum Power Consumption?
The 312 has 2000 watts.
Thanks. |
Thank you, Cappuccino
I was thinking it was something like plug and play, because in the past I used 2 GamuTs in biamp. But with 2 differents amps you might have tech situation.
Anyway, day after day I like my 312 more and more. Well, its bass sound is better than GamuT's bass sound. |
Guido, what's up?
I think everybody is waiting for more words about the Criterion?
You are the soul of this forum. |
You're right, Guidocorona. I got the remote control, the receiver and a cable. I'm not going to try because I don't use remote control.
Now, why the brasilian dealer and/or the rep in Rio told me a history about it? About a technician and bla, bla, bla.
I think that as I'm the first, and as far I known, the only owner of a Model 312 in Brasil, they want to listen to my set up with the Criterion for recomendations watching futures sales.
But why to do that? Just say to me they would like to listen to my set up? Would be my pleasure to invite them to my house.
A novell for nothing, because as I don't use remote control I decline the visit of the technician from Som Maior "to put my Criterion ready for the remote control". This guy would come together with the sound manager from Som Maior.
Funny, they got nothing.
Brazcole |
Guidocorona,
I'm happy that you have received your Criterion. And as I don't speak English well I'm not shure if I understood right yours posts.
Let's see.
I think that at first you was expecting much more from the Criterion. Anyway, after some time you start to listen something that you never listening before. It's great, pal, because Capri, your prior device, is a very fine preamp.
Because of the Criterion, yesterday I went to MBL's dealer home. I'd want to listen to some MBL speaker, just because my B&W 802D is not at the Criterion level. I like the MBL 111 F Hybrid speakers. I bought in this visit the Cary 306 Pro, as he is also the Cary dealer.
All this because of the Criterion.
But I known what happened to you.
Before I left the dealer's home he put a disc in his phono device. I never had listen to a modern phono before.
It was wonderfull, it was amazing and etc. It looks like I was listening to a live concert just there, in front of me.
IMO you, BECAUSE OF YOUR PASSION for JRDG DEVICES, YOUR MIND was expecting a sound like a listen yesterday with this phono device. But it's impossible, man, because you NEVER, NEVER with a CD or HDCD or SACD will get some kind of perfection that you can get with a phono.
Enjoy. |
What difficult job you have give to me, Guidocorona. I don't known a large English vocabulary to explain in audiopholics details the differences. Anyway, the dealer also said the Criterion "has a more clean sound".
Clavil, I made that question last week when I became interested in buy the MBL 101 loudspeaker. Staunning sound. Of course, he said, but it could be a salesman history. IMO I think the Model 312 is strong enough, but I'm not a expert in audio to be shure about that.
When I listen to MBL 101E, the set up was the MBL CD Transport 1521 A, the MBL DAC 1511 F, the pre-amplifier 5011 and 2 monoblocks MBL 9008.
Next month Fernando Andretti, he has some reviews in Cary website, will put a full review for the Criterion on a brasilian audio magazine. I'll keep you all post. |
I bought today the Áudio & Vídeo magazine with the Criterion's review from Fernando Andrette. He had a Coherence for 8 years, he still likes JRDG devices, and said that love to review the Criterion to compare with his old pre-amplifier, as I said above.
In his opinion the Criterion keep the wonderfull sound of the Coherence with a STUNNING improvement. After the reviews, he always gives notes ( 1 to 10 ) about specifics itens. The maximum a device can rich is 80. The Criterion rich 81,5 because he gives 3 notes 10,5: for Sound Stage, for Dinamic and for Transientes ( I don't know this name in English).
You can go to www.clubedoaudio.com.br to see this review in the home page, but you need to apply to read it. Anyway, it's in Portuguese.
I'd like, any day, of course, read a full review for the Criterion from Giodocorona, another expert in audio, to compare with Fernando Andrette's review.
Very good, Guidocorona, that you are back in home, because now you're close to your set up.
Let's listen to music !! |
Clavil, one of the Audiogon's master, your post is interesting. I want to keep my Criterion "forever", but I could change my 312 for a JRDG Class AB, so I'm going to wait for your and Guido review from the 625.
If I remember or I read well, you wrote in another post the reasons of why JRDG starts once again to make Class AB amplifiers. If they realise Class AB is really better than Class D. IMO the reasons for those new Class AB devices is MONEY, because the impact for the market with Jeff Rowland's Class AB is huge, they will sell many more units than with another and another Class D amplifier.
For instance, you have already ordered the 625.
I'm going to wait ansious for your review.
Thanks, man. |
