oregonpapa, "There’s another option, and that is to order your own mats and try them out for yourself. 90-day return policy." That would certainly be an option. However, in recent times, in Western society, people got spoiled into being allowed to know what they are giving money for in advance. You said you were in real estate sales. How often did you close the sale with "Yes, it is a house. No, it does not leak. No, you cannot know is it brick or wood. It is much more expensive than others on the market. Yes, it is that good. Yes, it can fly. No, it is not exagerration, you have to trust me. Pay, move in, you are allowed to move out in three months. No, it is not inconvenient. You lose nothing." I know nothing about real estate sales tacticts, but I also do not know anyone who would buy a house under such terms. If only the inventor knew the secret, how is it still being produced? How come that original post goes into details of action for something that the rest of the thread implies is not known to anyone? It does say "presumed" but it also talks about single mats clearly. |
geoffkait,
I stand corrected, but I thought you may get offended if I associate your act wth a toupee.
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geoffkait, "I’m not only the President of Hair Club for Men I’m also a client." Smells like a conflict of interest. |
"...I sat down in a tastefully plaid Lazy Boy recliner..." Is there such a thing as tasteful Lazy Boy? |
oregonpapa,
Luckily for you, you have retired. Although, I still have a hard time believing you approached your sales the way you approach sales of Omega Mat. Unless you were a part of geoffkait's comedy troop.
No, I will not bother the lady at this, or any, moment. It is a bit disturbing that you use her in this argument. I hope she does well with her company. Regardless of the reason people enjoy her products.
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jafreeman,
Hey, at least I can read. I practice reading on this thread. It is very interesting read although it is mostly between the lines.
You are not joking about mats? Come on, you must be joking saying that. oregonpapa is right.
From the other side of the screen, it seems that you get overly emotional and agitated in this thread. May I recommend that you stop reading it? It may be detrimental to your health.
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oregonpapa, "Are you here in the states somewhere?" Well, U.S.A. is so large that "here" is a very wide area. But, to satisfy your curiosity, I split time between continents. In the U.S.A., I am mostly in the Eastern half. So, yes, I am "here" but the question is which "here". "This place is better than going to a Comedy Club for the evening. Cheaper too." Remember when you read it first. And all of you thought I was wrong... glupson3,034 post
11-20-2019 7:40pm
You guys are joking, aren’t you? Just hope that your comment does not get the response like mine did... "Pure trolling at its finest, sorry but have to call it as I see it." |
jerrybj, "If you can’t say anything positive, leave." My recommendation was positive and well-intentioned.
jerrybj 33 posts
11-23-2019 3:50pm
The main reason I don’t spend much time here is the negativity on posts.
If you can only see negativity in others’ posts, you may be better off leaving, too.
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"...we need to stop engaging the folks who have no idea what these mats do..." That would be everybody. It has been stated many times that the way mats work is the well-kept secret. |
This is not an ad, but just for illustration how it can be done on a website.
Eventually, how efficient the product is will be very individual experience. Still, claims about patents are clearly supported as are some of the technical details and measurements. Just a link at the bottom of the page.
Clear, concise, no room left for doubts. No need for an online forum defense.
https://www.theragun.com/ https://www.theragun.com/us/en-us/patents.html
I have nothing to do with above company, but have ran across the website last night. |
uberwaltz, "Glupson cannot take a hint people so don't waste your time responding to him, hopefully he will just go away sooner or later." You are right, for once. I left long time ago. I started feeling sad. |
uberwaltz, What is JCB?
I am not used to renting by the hour, anyway. |
geoffkait, "Has the FTC ever investigated an audiophile product?" Who cares about audiophile tweaks? You either buy them and enjoy or you pass by and do not care.
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I pick "magnetic field". That is the only one we are sure exists in this story. The thing has magnetic coating. |
jerrybj,
Was this really your first post on audiogon? You actually joined to post that? (it was regarding geoffkait, it seems)
jerrybj 34 posts 10-02-2018 10:17pm
Why do you have to be so obnoxious?
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"Because without any evidence what so ever..."
"When consumers see or hear an advertisement, whether it’s on the Internet, radio or television, or anywhere else, federal law says that ad must be truthful, not misleading, and, when appropriate, backed by scientific evidence."
"The FTC looks especially closely at advertising claims that can affect consumers’ health or their pocketbooks – claims about...............and on conduct related to high-tech products and the Internet."
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/media-resources/truth-advertising |
oregonpapa, Preventing a few of you making a lady's company a joke by your comments. She asked for help. None of you have done anything about it except made it seem like it is a joke made by bitter men who enjoy bickering on an anonymous Internet forum. Along the way, I noticed imperfections on the website that, once rectified, will make it all seem more credible. I also followed comments here trying to get an idea how many of the staunch proponents have bought The Gate. That could shed some light on how well the business may do in the future in the North American and English-speaking markets altogether. I also checked a few Asian websites and looked at the traffic regarding power conditioners there. There are many more names than here. I suggested that the lady focuses on Asia rather than this small group not willing to do much more than fairly disjointed lip service.
And what have you done? |
jerrybj,
Thanks for the insightful review. It was generous that you shared your opinion. Keep on posting so we can learn.
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oregonpapa, I explained. If it suits you better, I can claim it is a big conspiracy. It is fine with me, as long as you stay happy. You used up your quote of personal questions with that one about my whereabouts. Sorry, my intents will apparently stay secret and you stay out of my personal information. |
geoffkait, "Someone you can trust." Isn't this the place?
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geoffkait,
I am proud of you. You are a good student, you cannot ask for money back from me. I taught you well. You are still using my trick with money back from school.
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oregonpapa,
I get it now and I did imagine it was something akin to a refrigerator magnet. I made a mistake by assuming everything stayed the same except that it doubled in efficacy, which is quite emphasized on the website. My mistake. I should read between the lines.
Having a magnet would definitely make it more convenient, but it would expose it to even more technical questions about magnetic influence on, pretty much, everything around.
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"...after you forgot all that expensive stuff you learned in school" You mean "...you forgot after all that expensive stuff you used in school"? |
In all seriousness, would Kohler Numi heat better with the mat? It should. |
oregonpapa,
I believed the website that said it has double the power, double the patent, double this and double that from the original Omega Mat which says...
"It is equipped with a full magnetic underside, which can be attached to any ferrous cover."
I may stand corrected due to unclear description on the PPT website. I apologize.
No, I have not tried it in my system. It is so mysterious that I will keep the mystery forever. The only way to truly enjoy it. Different strokes for different folks, $600 buys a fair amount of ice-cream. Maybe for whole playground. If you come, you will get one, too.
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"It would be accurate to say though that they would NEVER reveal the design to you or Gluppy." I will take that as a compliment. Would they at least reveal the patent to the patent office? uberwaltz, I am actually your adoring readership. I am not much of an audience for anyone here, atdavid included. Despite the name, audiogon forum does not allow me to be an audience. It is only readership. How is your refrigerator doing? Got it fixed? How much was it? You never answered what JCB is. I will not ask you why you enjoy renting by the hour. |
Thanks.
No wonder I had no clue. I have been shielded from it all my life, but now I absorbed it like a Kleenex.
uberwaltz,
Thanks for the offer. I will pass. I never liked playing in a sandbox. Much less, if I would have needed to pay for it. Hope you find a good use for your JCB without me.
EDIT: Wow. I am envious. I just saw pictures of some yellow JCB machines. Very exciting. I had something similar when I was a kid. No wonder you are proud of it. Who would not be?
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geoffkait, "It’s a little strange nobody has mentioned mu metal. What’s up with that?" atdavid mentioned it on November 21, 2019. oregonpapa also mentioned it a little later. |
"These mats help everywhere--over circuit box and around components." Teleportation Tweak does not seem that unreasonable anymore. |
Better ever than never. There is hope for you. |
Is it true that when you lie your pants really are on fire? I know who you should ask but am not allowed to say it. |
oregonpapa, atdavid & glupson ...
How about starting your own thread? This one is about the Omega + Mats. Thanks How about discussing Omega Mat+ instead of singing suspicious praises without allowing others to ask or learn what is making it work in the first place? How about actually making some sense instead of building a cult? Also, do not forget that this thread was started as an advertisement. You are welcome. Even in this thread. |
uberwaltz,
If you need to learn more about your mats, just ask. I am not "that kind of guy". I will answer to the best of my knowledge.
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geoffkait, "Score one for the Tar Baby." You mind reversing that one? I do keep tab. |
This above may be the start. More like the start of a guessing game, quiz of sorts, but at least some start in establishing character of the product.
If I remember correctly, these are the first words in some direction on this thread. Far from satisfying, but we may get there.
If I may suggest that non-users of this product are not to be bullied, either.
Now, who has more thoughts we can learn from, please step forward.
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jafreeman,
I apologize for figuring the Mat out. I know it was planned that I have no clue and you are experts.
It may be rope-a-dope, but the dope is not me.
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jafreeman,
I thought you decided to lend some credibility to the product.
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uberwaltz,
I am sorry, but I did not read your whole post. Too many caps to consider it valuable.
I am not surprised that workings of products mentioned along this thread are secret. I would not disclose them, either. Mostly because I would not know how they work. Just like about everyone else in the world, it seems.
I have a very good news for oregonpapa and you. Santa Claus is coming soon. If you write him a letter today, and improve your behavior, he may bring you a few mats for Christmas.
If not Omega Mat, then Alpha Mat. Works wonders on greens. Check it out, you may become a convert. It is real and it does disclose some mode of action.
Until then, be nice, understand that it is not that unusual to expect an answer in the place where questions are allowed, and a few more things that would be too much of a challenge for you at this moment.
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uberwaltz,
Where did your post telling me my dealer gave me some bad stuff go?
Anyway, I have no dealer of any kind and, unlike what many here say about themselves, have never tried any drug. Just to keep that out of your humorous attempt.
I am puzzled by recent discovery. Look, all of the Mat supporters on this thread read it. I do not expect you (plural) to read all my posts but I suspect oregonpapa’s get read.
I am trying to find an excuse why, when oregonpapa stated the mat is not magnetic, none of you corrected him on that fairly basic statement. It would have been very fair and nothing spectacular.
I can come up with only three thoughts.
You noticed the error but decided that it is fine if oregonpapa embarasses himself down the line
You noticed the error but it was going your way, and against me, so you did not want to lose the point.
You did not notice the error despite having vast experience with this mat.
Do you have any other thought about that?
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theaudiotweak,
Your posts are informative.
They say a lot about you.
And it is not looking good. I mean, that longer post, not the one where you bravely insulted me, is a piece of art.
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Thanks.
Be nice, Santa is watching.
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oregonpapa, "I stand corrected." It happens. It is nothing major. It is really nothing. It may be the teaching point, though. No matter how high your emotions run, do not ridicule the other guy. He just may be more correct than you. "180 degrees out of sync. I detect no magnetic properties in the new Omega + E-Mats. Have you detected magnetic properties in the + E-Mats you’ve placed into your system, Glupson?" Apparently, buying mats and placing them in one’s system would not make it any more reliable to evaluate them than it is without buying them. And all of you were telling me I have no point talking because I did not try them. Guys, wake up. |
jetter,
Sometimes, interests depend on what you choose to believe in. I would not dismiss Magic Pebbles quite yet although I do find them suspicious, too. Not to mention geoffkait's springs which, no doubt about it, may be from a local hardware store. His products get ridiculed on the basis of theoretical non-sense they seem to be, but some other products are not allowed to be questioned at all. That is not right, no matter how you slice it. geoffkait tries to give some explanation why his New Dark Matter works. It may be argued about, but it is his explanation. Maybe, he would get more credit if he had less abrasive online personality and sweetly said "none of your business, just trust me". Maybe, he would have more supporters fiercely defending his trade and you would feel like atdavid and I feel now. Baffled. |
tommylion.
Your deduction skills are impressive.
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"...his stupid pebbles and springs you can find in any hardware store for a quarter." This must be from extensive experience with geoffkait’s Magic Pebbles. At least geoffkait will discuss the pebbles in some way. Where is the poster who said it is criminal to talk bad about a product, trying to ruin a company?
Shielding/absorbing sheets may not be in every store, but they are widely available for not much more than a quarter. |
Do these mats have merit?
From the way you are presenting them here, it is very hard to think so. More than anything, it is shaping to look like a product based on sweet talk which is not much of a merit. Secret is frequently just another word for deception.
jetter,
Enjoy your day and feel free to skip any post/poster you dislike. |
With respect to all I have read and re-read your initial OP and I have a hard time labeling it as " an advertisement".
I do not see any verbiage that appertains to any pricing or deals or purchase outlets.
All those Coca-Cola ads on TV, and wherever else, have not been advertisements at all.
Who would have thought? |
"He came over to have me burn a couple of CDs for a friend of his." Is that even legal?
Who was the poster talking about posting questions on this thread being a crime?
Oh, oregonpapa. Nevermind. |
That may be the first positive and useful thing to come out of this thread. |
thecarpathian, I apologize, I was trying to make your quote easier to read omitting the embarrassing part about "mystery".
Nobody is allowed to know anything in this story except believe in personal opinions of people they have never met and who seem to be overly excitable when describing a product. I will not claim Omega + Mat does not work. I will claim it seems less and less likely that it works. Not one credible fact has been mentioned. Not one. |
