New Joseph Audio Pulsar Graphene 2
No Rib61 it is called synergy. Imagine you are building a race car from scratch, you can choose the engine, the transmission, the tires, wheels, the braking systems. Now imagine you have a competitive team also building the same kind of car now imagine you have two identically skilled drivers. One team wins the other loses. Why? Because the car which all the parts work better in unison means that the particular car will work better and win the race. Whenever you are building a system which has moving parts and those parts have different sonic attributes then you will produce different sound. One pair of speakers on a tube amplifier will sound different on a solid state amplifier. One set of cables may be brighter than another one could roll off the highs and sound duller. The concept of cables influencing sound is simple cables can act like a capacitor and thus alter frequencies. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
Sciencecop first many people commented favorably on the Personas which were being driven by a $4k integrated amp vs a huge stack of much more expensive Rowland gear on the Perspectives willing to beat the gear alone cost $50k driving a $14k speaker not a realistic package now is it? The 3F sounded really impressive considering the price of $14k for botb the speakers and electronics. We could have gotten better sound with warmer cables AQ does not a good match make with these components. Lets see Troll eh? We mentioned many rooms which sounded excellent with products we dont seIl including Wilson audio, Alta, Avante Garde, Golden Ear, Focal to name a few. So kind of looks like we call em like we hear em. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
Riaa lets get some facts straight, sorry couldn’t think of the name of the Avante Gardes, sorry we all have our brain fart moments, however used to sell the speakers, just didn’t take the time to look up the brand as everyone knows the speakers we were discussing. As per Jersey City being like Camden or Trenton, here is some news for you, Jersey City is the fastest growing city in the Northeast with real estate pricing going insane. What part of the country do you like in? As per being mugged doubtful, but Jersey City is still a large City so anything is possible, we have had a customer drive up to our shop in his McLaren and it was totally safe. Our shop is in a huge tree lined street in the old mechant part of Jersey City Heights. Houses here sell for $800k to $1.5 million so hardly a bad part of town. Our median housing pricing is $518k and 780 foot condos are going for over $600k. Every major builder is building high rise condos buildings here where prices go in the millions. As per the Persona 3F sounding Shrill neither of these reviews said anything like that: https://www.stereophile.com/content/paradigm-persona-3f-loudspeakers-anthem-str-integrated-amplifier Paradigm / AnthemParadigm Persona 3F, Persona SUB, and Anthem STR Integrated Amplifier (Room 374) Perhaps one of the most exciting demonstrations at AXPONA 2019, between Paradigm’s Persona Series and Anthem’s STR Series, the product lines sampled in this room have garnered a dozen product of the year awards—and for good reasons. The Persona speaker’s beryllium mid-range and tweeter offer up audio magic with their ability to render a soundstage with extraordinary nuance. The sturdy Persona SUB, with six 8-inch woofers and 3400 Watts (peak) of power on tap, provides plenty of punch at remarkably low-frequencies down to 12Hz. Anthem’s STR Integrated Amplifier, being used with music streaming from an Aurender A100 music server, does a remarkable job (with its built-in Anthem Room Correction system) at integrating the speakers and subwoofer within the challenging hotel room while managing to deliver a demonstration with tons of dynamic energy and rich detail. Last point do you honestly think that a pair of Persona 5F at $17k being driven by $50k worth of Jeff Rolwand gear, a Doshi Phonostage a $25k Vpi Avenger and a $20k open real tape deck wouldn’t sound good? The point we were making was how good the Persona 3f were sounding with a real world priced $4,500.00 Amp and dac combo, yes that is $14,500 for the speakers and the electronics, vs $50k Rowland Stack plus $15k speakers. Where the Persona 3F/Anthem Room had a few pairing issues that would exacerbate the highs we would have made a few changes, and this system would have sounded even better. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ Persona dealers |
Dream on marklarsen many of our posts have nothing to do with products we sell. You seem hurt is it because you own a speaker that we didnt proclaim was amazing? Willing to bet you wouldnt be so negative if we thought they were amazing. Kenjit dream on cables are hardily a scam way too many people hear the difference and certain cables will bring out more or less treble and bass. |
Thanks Soix good points. Marklarsen we didnt start this our initial post never mentioned any of our brands it was others that caused this derailment. For the record we have nothing against Joseph Audio we like their speakers just not enough to want to carry them and we like our existing product lines. |
Riaa willing to bet my house is worth more than yours, please let us know where in NJ you live? Dude your Jersey City comments couldn’t be more wrong. Do the research https://jerseydigs.com/99-hudson-luxury-condo-sales-strong-jersey-city/ Jersey City is valuable because of the location but also because it has great access to all parts of NJ and the Airport, it also has historical sights, and buildable land. As per comparing Jersey City to Elizabeth and other parts of NJ you are way out of line, Jersey City is going through a major renaissance because it is a great place to live with high end restaurants like Talde, the Hutton and many, many others, new nightclubs are opening up, new Beerhalls and pubs, one of the best public High Schools is in Jersey City, as well as critically acclaimed culinary programs and film programs with a huge arts community and new galleries sprouting up. As Jersey City is the largest City in NJ there aren't many places we wouldn't want to go, however, with any city there are still bad parts, the entire city is gentrifying super quickly now.
We did find that Coda CSib to sound even better than the Hegel and Luxman gear we were selling at the time. We stopped selling Coda for a while as they are upgrading their integrated with a new digital card and we wanted to get the latest one. There have been others here who love the Persona line check out those posts, there are many fans and detractors of any and every line of products on audiogon. A speaker which offers tremendous resolution and is a bit finicky is going to be a polarizing product the same way that Vandersteen and Harbeth are loved because they invariably sound musical while others find them recessed and rolled off. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
Rib61, couldn't disagree with you more. Synergy is not assembling a system where you have similar attributes it is combining a system whose parts differ to balance out the whole. For example if you have very warm speakers, a warm sounding amp, a warm sounding source and cables you get mud. Conversely a bright set of speakers, a bright or neutral amp, and a detailed source and cabling will equal bright hard and overly analytical. We strive to balance a system so we usually use a warmer amp with the Paradigms, such as a tube amp or warmer solid state, which is Naim, or Micromega or T+A. Same with cabling add AQ or Nordost and you are going to have super bright top end with the Personas not going to sound good, we use Wireworld which is a bit warmer then the Nordost or Wireworlds we know because we sold both. Add a set of Isoacoustics footers and The Little 3F sound like a $20k set of speakers. Also you can add a good subwoofer to the 3F and the combined sound will be anything but thin or overly clinical. Too many people like systems which don't sound anything like real music. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
Larry we feel the same way but there are a ton of expensive monitors on the market the Focal Sopra 1 are $9k, the Focal Utopias are $14 or $15k so are the TAD ME1, the Paradigm Persona B are $7k and the Kef Ref 1 are $8k to name a few. The reason is some people either don't have the room for floor standing speakers and they really have to put the speakers on a bookshelf, or theirroom is physically too small for the greater bass response of a floor stander. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
No Markalarsen, We never mentioned Paradigm or any other brand we sold other guys came in with that. Our initial post was when someone compared the Boresteen moitors at $30k and compared them to the Pulsars to which we said that was a silly comparison as any $30k speaker should beat a $9k one or a $14k one unless the $30k speaker is poorly designed. The Boresteen are heinously overpriced but are very good speakers with outstanding drivers. Our comment was we heard the Perspectives and said they sounded good and were impressive for their size just not the speakers we would endorse for $14k. Then we got attacked by many of you. Weather of not you love Joseph Audio or Pardigm or Kef of Wilson or Magico these are all great loudspeakers that will appeal to certain listeners and then is the setup and pairing issues. Haven't been a Wilson fan for years but the showings at CAP and Axpona were impressive, and we don't sell them, however, we have heard some really mediocre Wilson setups over the years even with the same speakers, so setup is everything when you reach these kinds of products. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
Profi Look at our initial post didnt mention one iota of any of our products. We respond when attacked if we werent attacked threre never would be a derailment. The moderators need to step in and remove attack posts problem solved. Kenjit and Marklarsen mentioned other speakers which helped derail the post. Unfortunately this is something that happens alot on open forums. |
Mark lets go for more shall we, Persona, Persona, Persona, Persona, Persona happy now. Kenjit it is not about distortion it is about perception. We have in our shop the LS 50 and they are great speakers for the price, however, the Kef R3 monitor is better, and the Kef Reference One is far better. As you generally go up in price you get greater clarity, based on denser non resonant cabinets, faster drivers with less coloration based on bigger magnets, distortion minimizing techniques, more advanced cone materials and drivers which are engineered better, add in better crossover components and you get a substantially better speaker. So here are three different Kef models which all sound great but as you step up the ladder the clarity gets greater, the dynamics improve, the imaging gets more focused and you also get tighter bass as well as more of it. The reason a company can sell a more expensive set of speakers is that there is an audible improvement with the more expensive versions. Take the KEF R11 a $5,000.00 set of speakers vs the Kef Reference 5 a $19,000.00 set of speakers, both speakers look very similar and employ similar drivers, however, the Reference drivers use a more advanced version of the drivers, the cabinet is much more advanced and is much denser, the weight difference is 57lbs vs 120lbs. Sonically the R11 is very good, but the Ref 5 just crushes it, you hear more information, the dynamic kick is far better the bass is tighter. You are hearing the same music but you are experiencing more of it. Another good analogy is like switching from a cheap lens on a 35mm camera to a much more expensive one, all of a sudden colors are more vibrant and tiny details are evident. Better speakers with more advanced driver technology generally produce far greater amounts of information. The Borsteen loudspeakers use very expensive ceramic diamond tweeters and midrange/woofers these drivers cost a lot more than the Graphene woofer/midrange drivers and a soft dome SEAS tweeter. So given the same set of electronics you would hear more with the Borsteen speakers are they worth $30k personally we wouldn't recommend a $30k two way but we heard their big $120k pair and they were impressive. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
Here are a couple of points Riaa, First Jersey City is the most populated City in NJ so there will always be more crime with a greater population density. As per NJ.com crime in Jersey City has decreased. As per Living in Old Bridge/Pennington or Lambertsville those towns are in the sticks so please enjoy your isolation in the woods. Secondly what brands are Mainstream for US customers? Do you mean Bose, or B&W, or Mcintosh? We sell many mainstream products: Kef is mainstream, Naim is pretty mainstream, so is Anthem and Nad, before that we had Cambridge audio, we also sell Parasound also pretty mainstream, Paradigm is pretty mainstream as well. We have said before we have a new website that is in development we are considering a name change as we get repair calls all the time not to mention there is now The Audio Doctor as well. www.audiodoctor.com/wp check it out. As per T+A a major CA dealer was disenfranchised so most of what you see is his old inventory and there is not a lot of that left and when did resale have anything to do with high end audio? Buy a brand new BMW drive it for two years and see how much you lose 20-30% of retail willing to bet. As per reviews certainly seems there are a lot of reviews from the Absolute Sound, Soundstage and Positive Feedback that really like the T+A gear and hold it in very high regard. In the Absolute Sound review an $18k T+A integrated amp was found to compete with $120k worth of CH Precision gear that is a pretty bold statement isn’t it, read the review we didn’t say it Allan Taffel did. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/ta-pa-3000-hv-and-mp-3000-hv/ Conclusion Don’t let its unassuming appearance mislead you. T+A Elektroakustik’s PA 2000 R is a first-rate integrated amplifier whose modest power rating should be taken with a grain of salt. It proved to be an unflappable partner for challenging both two-way and big, efficient three-way speakers. It’s also as neutral as they come. Its most alluring talents, however, are its three-dimensional midrange and its butter-smooth treble extension. From top to bottom of the audioband, it is a complete integrated amplifier, whose sound quality is matched by its impressively solid aluminum build. For a reviewer prone to cast a skeptical eye on everything that comes through his listening room, I’m at a loss. This thing is faultless. http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/ta-pa-3000-hv-and-mp-3000-hv/ After a Reality Check stage that, as noted, somewhat curbed my enthusiasm, I decided to set all that aside and listen afresh to the T+A combo playing either CDs or hi-res files via SPDIF. The sound, once more, just blew me away. I invited fellow TAS writer Karl Schuster to drop by and have a listen. He summed things up perfectly when he described the sound as “spooky good.” That spook factor stems from how eerily close these units come to the sound of far costlier Swiss gear. And that, I realized anew, is really the bottom line here. For $13,500, the MP3000 delivers tremendous versatility and, on its best sources, sound that rivals digital playback from components that cost six times as much. Not all of its sources are up to that standard, so consider your own listening habits and decide if the MP3000 is for you. Similarly, the $17,000 ($18,500 with phonostage) PA3000 not only competes directly with integrated amps that run all the way up to $50k, it holds its own against $120k worth of Switzerland’s best separates. This is a component that’s not to be missed. We could go on. Riaa you really need to get your facts straight. Profi Kenjit is extolling the virtues of a cheap LSA loudspeaker we heard them and they were indeed very good, how can we draw comparisons to other products in a similar price point that perform to a very high level without naming them? We go out of our way to constantly seek out very high dollar for sound products stating Quad is giving a comparison of an excellent product that competes with LSA for similar money. Last point the Paradigm Persona aren't for everyone, however, when setup correctly they can sound amazing and can compete with way more expensive loudspeakers, their driver technology is extraordinary and the bass response out of the little 3F is amazing considering the size of the loudspeaker for these reasons we are very found of them, we also love Legacy which has different attributes but still represents outstanding value for the money. Dave and Troy Audio Doctor NJ |
