New Esoteric P02 D02


Hello,

Seems like there is a new set up separates from Esoteric. The P02 D02. Hven't seen any info out there at all, but it is for sale already at retailers. Not a substitute of the P03 D03 as expected, that are still selling as well, but a new category in between de 01s and 03s. DACs and inputs seem like an upgrade of the K01.

Anyone has any info, or heard of this? You can read about it at Esoteric parent company home page (in Japan but in English).

Price in Europe is 3.000 Euros higher than the 03s per unit (so +6000 EUros higher in total)

Any feedback, info news?

Thanks
Eli
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If I have P-02/D-02 with G-0Rb, how I should connect them, as G-0Rb supports max 176.4kHz only.

1) G-0Rb (176.4kHz) --> P-02
+ G-0Rb (176.4kHz) --> D-02

2) G-0Rb (176.4kHz) --> D-02 (22.579MHzHz) --> P-02

Given all other factors equal, and I totally prefer highest resolution sound, is (1) or (2) recommended from the technical/engineering point of view?

I am aware that general connection is (1), BUT

- in page 6 of D-02 owner's manual http://www.teac.co.jp/audio/manual_esoteric.html

- in page 42 of this powerpoint http://esoteric.teac.com/download/P-02/Downloads/P-02:D-02_Power_Point.ppt

they indicate using connection (2)

Any thought from technical/engineering point of view?

Thanks.

I have just asked esoteric of the same question, here is their reply (applicable to G-0Rb only, NOT G-01)

"Because a PLL circuit of P-02 isn't used, connection 2 is more simple than 1 as circuit.
Please try connection 2."

If I understand correctly,
using (1), sync freq between P-02/D-02 is at 176.4kHz, and P-02's PLL is in the loop
using (2), sync freq between P-02/D-02 is at 22.579MHzHz (and PLL is OUT of the loop), and the source reference clock is provided by G-0Rb (not oscillator inside D-02)

IF the above understanding is correct, if the clock is G-0Rb or G-0s, (2) should be better in technical theory?

I have not tried the 2 different connection yet, as I am still burning in P-02/D-02 now (close to 200 hours mark)

Regards,...
Dear Colekat,

"There were several reasons stated for this and it was the G-01 , not the Grb, but the logic is the same."

While I am not sure which one is better as I have not tried, the logic is not the same.

G-01 can output 22.579MHzHz, but G-0Rb can output max 176.4kHz. That is why there is such question,
1) G-0Rb (176.4kHz) --> P-02 + + G-0Rb (176.4kHz) --> D-02
2) G-0Rb (176.4kHz) --> D-02 (22.579MHzHz) --> P-02
especially
- page 6 of D-02 owner's manual http://www.teac.co.jp/audio/manual_esoteric.html
- page 42 of this powerpoint http://esoteric.teac.com/download/P-02/Downloads/P-02:D-02_Power_Point.ppt

cheers,
Before I decided to give up D-02 (sold already), it continued to run day and night until around 800 hr.
Until the point I thought why I needed to spend several thousands hours just to break in D-02, with unknown result?
On the other hand, second-hand D-01 VUK is readily available with well broken-in.
So D-02 was sold, D-01 was sold, and now D-01 VUK is in home; very relax, with good details at the same time.

honest honest and honestly asking, have any one truly compared p-02/D-02 vs P-01/D-01, as compo???

comparing 02 vs 03 has no meaning, as we know (sorry for such statement).

this comparison of p-02/D-02 vs P-01/D-01 is quite important.

while it depends on individual taste, but once people compare D-02 with D-01, you will find D-01 is more relax, comfortable, not pushy, than D-02. (D-01 VUK is even better.)

Might be the technical spec of D-02 is better, but unfortunately audio is not only "made" by engineering, otherwise people do not need to "trust your ears".

Nowadays second hand price of P-01/D-01 is the same as new P-02/D-02, we have one more option.

I have A/B compared D-01 and D-02. Similar comments given by my better-half, and other friends who like music/concerts (but do not know audio) in various occasions.

comparison done after 500 hours break-in D-02.

tried several upsampling/filtering.

in fact, any upsmapling/filtering setting did not change the fundamental character. (upsampling/filtering only adjusted to the taste preference, not the fundamental character)For example, the exaggerate soundstage, and pushy character.

My friends are amateur concert musicians and conductors. My better-half pointed out the locations of instruments were too far apart compared with those in real concerts.

And more importantly, we were feeling tired after an hour or so of listening. (For example, during the day, we turned on the tuner all the time. We could do so using D-01. But for D-02, we turned it off after an hour or so.)