New classe delta preamp and classe stereo amp?


Was wondering your thoughts on the newer Classe preamp and stereo amp combo vs something like the Accuphase E5000 integrated? Does anyone own this classe combo? It will be driving my older B&W 804S speakers and a rel t7x sub. I used to own the older classe cp500 and ca2200 amp. I have the E5000 right now and it sounds great, but just thinking of going back to seperates. Just a thought and some advice. I know the new classe is made in japan now. Thanks

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FWIW:  Several years ago, a friend and I spent approximately 3 to 3.5 hours in a high-end shop auditioning speakers.  As such, we were both in critical listening mode, if you know what I mean.  The salesperson used the Classe amp & pre-amp you're interested in that day.  My friend and I were both very, very impressed with the sound quality and had no idea the amp had an internal fan until both of us read about it later.  The combo powerhouse stack was positioned on a stand that placed the units approximately 5.5' above the floor (i.e.  near ear-level).  There's no way, of course, one could possibly hear the fan when music is playing, even at very, very low decibel levels.  Several times during this audition, I walked right up to the stack when no music was playing and heard no fan noise at all.  The amp was absolutely dead silent.  So, short of some sort of defect or malfunction, you've got nothing to worry about regarding fan noise.  That being said, regardless of but especially because of the fan, I would keep this or any fine quality amp, fan or no fan, covered with a protective cloth or cover when not in use and cooled off (e.g.  desktop computer or printer cover).  Also, I'd occasionally use a good vacuum cleaner to blow & suck out any dust that gets into the casework over the years.  I'm compulsive that way and have always done this with my amps.  Dust is the enemy!

As for the Accuphase E5000 integrated, I've never heard it but have read some wonderful reviews of it.  If the choice were mine, I'd make arrangements to demo both under as controlled conditions as I could arrange (i.e.  components as similar to yours as possible; listening room as similar to yours as possible; music you are very familiar with; etc.) no matter how much travelling I'd need to do.  After all, when you're spending that kind of cash, what's a little travelling?  Of course, if you can make arrangements to audition these amps in your own listening room, that would be optimum.

Good luck!  If you do manage to demo both of these beasts, please let us know which one you eventually choose.  I'd be curious to know which you think sound or sounded better your speakers.  Frankly, given the specifications of both amps, I think this would be an extremely difficult decision, unless you've got a very large listening room and/or weird acoustic concerns to deal with.

Just to be clear, the Classe stack I spent time with was the Delta Series:

Delta Stereo - Classé Audio (classeaudio.com)

Delta Pre - Classé Audio (classeaudio.com)

I would think twice about putting an amp like this or, for that matter, any powerful amp in a rack with glass on the front or anything possibly preventing good airflow or proper ventilation.  This Delta operates in pure Class A mode for the first 12.5 WATTS.  I'm no expert on this but I think that's why the fan.

Again, I stood right next to this thing when there was no music playing and it was dead silent.  No fan noise.  Now, would that change over time?  Don't know.  A good question to ask or do some research on.

@fredrik222 With regard to racks, have you checked out Salamander?

Modular Open Stands | Pro Audio Racks | Pro Audio Acces - Salamander Designs

I've got one of their Synergy modular racks without any front, side or back panels and this works quite well with my McIntosh integrated.  My MAC doesn't have a fan and, frankly, stays quite cool to the touch, even after many hours of duty but MAC recommends good ventilation.  Even with a glass front panel, dust will always find a way, if you know what I mean.  If you kept it covered when not in use, you could still remove the cover and watch the meters dance around when the music is playing.

Another thought:  is your amp positioned in proximity to a back wall?  Since the fan exhausts to the rear of the casework, any chance what you're hearing is actually the fan pushing air up against a back wall that is too close and not fan noise itself?  The shop I was in when I spent time with this amp had it on a rather tall rack, as I indicated in my initial post, and the wall behind it was probably a good 3' away.  Of course, I didn't know it had a fan at the time and, as such, wasn't making a point of listening for that sort of thing.  However, I was close enough to this beast and spent more than a few minutes eyeing and coveting it without noticing any fan noise at all.  Maybe dust accumulation on the fan?  I know this is nitpicking but just trying to help.  Bottom line:  If ya can't hear it when the music's playing; ain't a problem!

Enjoy!  Go play some music!