New Class D amplifiers


Hello. I'm very interested in getting your opinion on the newer Class D amplifiers.  There has been a couple of very positive reviews (by Guttenberg) of the Bel Canto C6i and NAD M23.  These, and perhaps some others are offering new technology that significantly lower the class D noise level and other drawbacks.    

I currently use a Class A amp, Pass Labs INT-25 (with Dynaudio Heritage Special speakers) which has a wonderful sound. But I am transitioning to another location, and due to using Roon primarily I find that this system stays on most of the day.  Due to heat and power usage of Class A amplifiers, I'm interested in translating to Class D if I find something comparable.

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Another vote for full digital class D.  The Peachtree Gan 1 ($1400) or the $1600 VTV D300 (also GaN based) amps are as above....fully digital driven PWM....so no DAC or preamp needed.  Right now I am finishing mods on the GaN 1 and driven by a $400 IFI Zen Stream with custom super linear power supply.....the sound is amazing....better than any class D I have heard (I have heard modified IceEdge (the amp that Tweak 1 owns), modified Purifi, modified LSA Voyager Gan based amp and modified Hypex)....all driven by modified DAC).  By the end of the week I will be then doing the same mods to the VTV D300 I have here.  Slightly more powerful than the Peachtree.  What a simple inexpensive killer source and amp!

"Objective performance has never been proven to mean anything sonically.....so there is no need to discuss it, the only thing worth discussing is how it sounds"......

This statement is the opposite of what was just stated above. Who is correct? It does not matter. The mind believes what it will.....but your senses tells you what is REAL

Can any of these above mentioned amps (Purifi, Hypex, Orchard, AGD, Atmasphere, Technics, Lyngdorf, etc.) keep up sonically with a modified Peachtree GaN 1 or VTV D300 digital amp? Your analog Class D amps need a DAC, analog cables and maybe a preamp....the digital amp just needs a streamer with volume control and a single coax cable. Way less money........and we shall see very soon how they compare......as the first modded Peachtree GaN1 will soon be compared to the Coda 16 amp.....both driven by the Lumin X1 using Leedh digital volume control......this will be fun!

Yes, I AM convinced that we cannot measure everything we hear......in fact, most things we hear cannot.....at all....be measured. All wires, direction of wires, all jacks, all fuses, all capacitors, all brands of solder, etc. into infinity sound different yet they do not measure any different. Just a few days ago I put a piece of cardboard underneath my streamer and it sounded better.......please measure that! The mods I just completed to the Peachtree GaN1 transformed the sound but will NOT in any way affect any measurement you can do. Our ears are way more sensitive to what things "sound like" than any scope or distortion measurement device. I just swapped two different 6 inch pieces of twisted wire on the digital input of the amp and you get a completely different sound.......this is everywhere.....every single thing you do has a sound. There is no such thing as a pure thing. This is why the first rule of tweaking is to eliminate as much of the signal path as possible......these new digital amps do just that.....of course, there will be better digital amps......most of us will have digtial amps within 10 years....this, I have no doubt about.

Niodari,

Please see the Gan 1 thread for a description of the mods.  Of course, we all use our own sonic preferences......there is no objective reality in audio....everything sounds different and there is no consensus.  However, all those (95+%) who listen to what I do (since the late 70s) like it.  Those that don't listen....well, they just have opinions......based on no real knowledge.

The real FUN is in experiencing things......try expeiencing joy and love......you can experience it right NOW.......we create our own reality.....What do you want?  It is all right here.....right now.  Blessings for everyone!

If you take an amp like the LSA Voyager......you can make it sound way more liquid and musical and detailed by changing parts and eliminating parts......and this CANNOT be measured. The amp will measure exactly as it does stock. The amount of measured distortion or the types of measured distortion are just one indicators of sound.....not sole indicators. You can send me 5 pairs of Atmasphere amps and I will mod each one differently and you will hear them as all different sounding and they will all still measure like stock......this is the truth. To think we can measure everything we hear is simply NOT TRUE. Can you tell me how an interconnect SOUNDS via measurement?.......NO, YOU cannot....because all cables measure basically the same (minor amounts of capacitance and inductance differences). Even Belden make a line of audiophile cables called Iconoclast.....made by a very scientific kind of guy.......but they have three levels of cables.....basic copper, OFC copper and PCOCC copper......EVERYONE agrees that the PCOCC copper one sounds best.....yet the cables are all made the same except for the wire purity........and they measure the same. Same with everything in an amp......you cannot measure the filter caps on the output of a class d output stage but every brand will sound different and also if you put the outside foil to ground (it will sound better.....and still measure the same). This game is infinite.