Need Suggestions for speakers up to $15K new/used


I am a relative newb when it comes to this high-end world of audio. I purchased most of my equipment last year and then got involved in a home renovation project that zapped much of my funds ($500K...ouch). The renovation is concluding and I should have about $15K to throw at speakers to complete my system.

Here is what I have purchased so far:
*Contstellation Audio Inspiration Amp/Preamp
*PS Audio Direct Stream DAC with board
*PS Audio Power Station
*Oppo 105D
*Parasound JC3+ phono preamp
*Pro-ject Xpression Turntable with unknown cartridge
*Blinn Super Wide Audio Rack

I was all set to buy Raidho D1.1 last years and then had to cancel the order at the last minute due to the funding requirements of our renovation :/. I attended RMAF in 2014 and heard the Raidho’s and couldn’t get their sound out of my head. It was the best system I heard at the show. They were using Constellation electronics so hence the reason I bought the same brand. I didn’t have the funds to buy the expensive Constellation stuff but I was hoping for a similar sound. I also chose the JC3+ because I read that John Curl designed the preamp. He also designs for Constellation. Expectation is some trickle down in the technology and sound. Who knows but so far so good.

My room is 14’ x 22’ with 6’8" ceilings (crappy, i know). The room is in the basement and is all new drywall with new carpet over hardwoods. I like to listen to all kinds of great music including jazz, classical, industrial, pop to country.

So that leaves me with my dilemma, what speakers to buy? I plan to attend RMAF in October to listen to other speakers but would like a list of suggestions based on my requirements/restrictions. RMAF is overwhelming with all the choices and I don’t have time to listen to everything.

The brands I have heard that I have enjoyed include:
*Raidho
*Wilson Audio
*Nola
*There are others but these come to mind first.

Please let me know your recommendations on new or used speakers within my budget.


mmporsche

Showing 10 responses by mmporsche

I listened to the Raidho's three different days with different music playing and in different locations in the room.  Denver sadly doesn't have too many choices for listening to the brands I am considering.  

I agree the brands I mentioned above are different sounding, however, each of the rooms for the above mentioned brands sounded really good to my ears over numerous visits for my 3 days in 2014 to RMAF.  

As I said in my initial post, I am definitely open to used equipment.  Any brands or specific models you would suggest?
Infection, I understand how you may have taken my comment about how much I spent on the renovation. It was intended as a commentary on how ridiculous costs have risen for construction, nothing more. I will edit my original and remove the reference as I see how this could be construed. 
I am definitely planning on room treatments due to the low ceilings.

I am open to monitors or full range. I cannot use a sub with my Constellation setup. I considered a REL but after looking through my manuals and calling REL they don’t recommend it with Constellation amps.

I do like to listen to music at somewhat high levels, not crazy volume but sometimes it is fun to feel the music. I thought about horns, however, my research showed they do better in very large rooms???

Thank you for all the suggestions. I will put all of these on my list of manufacturers to visit at RMAF.

inna, as I stated in my original post I heard Raidho with Constellation at RMAF and that was what I was planning to buy and still may do so unless I hear something else that wows me more in October at RMAF.  I delayed the speaker purchase because of a much higher than expected bid on a home renovation, also stated in first post.  Not sure what you mean by "source is weak".  The turntable was purchased many years ago and is not a long-term solution.  I also don't listen to a ton of cd's, however, I read very good reviews about the Oppo.  The PS Dac for streaming is considered one of the best on the market, in some people's views and that is what I use most often.  Ultimately I would like to upgrade the TT but that is going to be after the speakers.

Lastly, yes, there are many speakers in this price range.  That is what makes it so difficult to choose.  The reason I posted was for some advice on speaker recommendations to narrow down my search since I don't have unlimited time to search.  My plan is to attend RMAF and seek out a dozen or so suggested speakers and make an educated decision.


No, I live in Denver bache.  I will seek out listening sessions in October at RMAF and make a decision.

inna, I am sure you didn't intend to make me out to be an A$$  by buying my amp and preamp in advance of my speakers.  I actually recall a conversation with the rep at Wilson Audio at RMAF and he recommended buying the amp/preamp BEFORE the speakers.  I know, what an idiot.  Anyway, I will continue on to stumble forward in my stupidity and hopefully end up with something that my dumb fuc$ ears and brain will like.
I spent the day at RMAF listening to a number of speakers suggested where I could find them.  Not all are listed in the guide so it is a bit of hit or miss.

I found the Voxativ room and was blown away.  I went back three separate times.  The music sounded so natural coming out of the 9.87 setup compared to the others I auditioned.  One thing my friend noticed was they had NO room corrections.  There wasn't a single acoustic panel or pillow shoved in a corner anywhere, yet it sounded amazing.

I did listen to the Raidho D 4.1, however, they were in a small room and it didn't do them justice.  I spoke to MB and inquired about the display of and D1.1 or D2.1 speakers and they didn't bring anything that small.  Very disappointing.

The Magico S1's sounded very clean, although a little bright for my tastes and they definitely lacked the bottom end.  I then spent 30 minutes listening to S3's in the Synergistic Room.  Again the room was not ideal for the speakers IMO.  They sounded a little muffled in the low-end and that was with all the fancy multi-thousand dollar Synergistic aids applied. 

Two of the best sounding rooms to me were the Dynaudio with a small pair of monitors.  Appropriate speaker for the space with good music that truly highlighted their capabilities.  The other is the Elac room with Andrew Jones.  Those guys are doing amazing stuff for pennies on the dollar.  They have a new integrated amp for $700 (if memory serves) that offers DSP, Blutooth, phono, and they powered their new floor standers with amazing authority.  Granted this was a $2,250 system plus the source so it was just amazing at the quality for the price.  They are rumored to be coming out with some higher quality and priced speakers at CES.

So where does this leave me with a decision?  I am strongly considering buying the 9.87 system from Voxativ.  The problem is my Constellation Amp/preamp are not well suited so i will need to change to a tube.  I realize these are way over my original budget but the sound is emotional, natural and it sounds like I am listening to the original instruments.  I am going back today to listen to others and see if I can find anything else that moves me more than the Voxativ setup.



I checked out the classic audios, very nice but I didn't have the emotional connection as with the Voxativ.

I pulled the trigger and bought the Voxativ 9.87 system along with the Voxativ 211 integrated amp. Can't wait to hear it in my room. The owner is a great guy, former Mercedes engineer. 
I neglected to mention the others so here are my impressions:

-Focal Sopra 2 - I did an extensive session when they first came out and didn't care for them.  Too bright and unnatural for my tastes
-Harbeth - I did listen to these yesterday and found them to muddy and full at the bottom end for my liking.  Again, I realize the room acoustics are terrible at RMAF so first impression
-Wilson Sophia 2 - hard to find fault other than I find them ugly and a little to warm in the lower range for my tastes.
-Gamut monitors (not sure of the model) - they had some terrible German music playing yesterday that made me want to attack someone.  It definitely didn't highlight the speakers but for what they cost it was a non-starter.
-Tidal (model unknown) - Very nice speakers with a great soundstage.  Still not as natural and authoritative as the Voxativ room.
-Salk - very nice value speaker.  They were playing their $2,800 per pair IMS and they had a nice sound to them.  I did find the ribbon to be a bit unnatural.  

Again, these are MY impressions and I am not intending to offend anyone that owns any of these speakers.  I also know the environments were not ideal.  

I need instruction on how to post pictures please.

I am very pleased with the sound of the new system so far.  I definitely need to place some acoustic panels in the room and am speaking to someone that is going to perform an analysis and guidance.

My turntable is definitely my weak leak at this point so I am looking hard for a new one to complement the rest of my system.