Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?


After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler

Showing 6 responses by noske

@ebm 

Because nobody cares much.

And that's the way the manufacturers and the vested interests on this forum want this situation to remain. 

They are going all out to discredit outfits which conduct careful measurements, its pretty obvious even to blind freddy.

@overthemoon

The reason is likely based on manufacturer- ultimately because the customer that buys there stuff doesn’t care if they aren’t publishing measurements.

This is also quite correct and you share a truth.

What is missing from this truth is the analysis that it is the marginal customer, the one who questions the price, quality, whatever, and ends up buying it, is the one who determines what everyone else who don’t care, get.

Without going into handwaving, this is true of any freely traded commodity or service.  Some people call it supply and demand.  Do they explain exactly what that means?

@kota1

@russ69 , contact The Audio Tailor , a dealer in Australia, and see if they carry products you can audition:

@russ69 has provided information recently that he is domiciled in SoCal.

That outfit is in Queensland.

"I’m Kevin, I’m from Queensland, and I’m here to help."

Recidivism.

@mitch2 @melvinjames @amir_asr 

Is this the 3rd or 4th now? So many nasty comments. Is it any wonder why the audiophile community at large is bleeding members?

@thyname 

Why? He has his own website and forum. He owns it. The ASR. And according to him, very popular. Why the need to spend so much time in other forums? Any sane person would logically ask that question. 

@amir_asr  has responded to this question perhaps a couple of times. 

ASR has been introduced and critiqued, and it is his right to respond in whatever manner he chooses.

Tell the community what you really think.

 

@holmz

There is some bizarre tribalism around that parallels religion, politics, vaccines, etc…

We don’t have those issues in Australia.

Oh, wait, stereonet AU. Be upper class Green or Marxist and you are invited to the club. 

I used to sometimes chat on their open forums about matters of import but when I got blocked, I felt no need to request redemption or forgiveness.

My loss, of course.