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Nearly all manufacturers do not advertise/exhibit their product measurements? Why?

After my Audio Science Review review forum, it became apparent that nearly the only way one can determine the measurements of an audio product is wait for a review on line or in a publication.  Most equipment is never reviewed or is given a subjective analysis rather than a measurement oriented review.  One would think that manufacturers used tests and measurements to design and construct their products. 

Manufacturers routinely give the performance characteristics of their products as Specifications.  Those are not test measurements.

I searched the Revel speaker site for measurements of any of their speakers and could not find any.  Revels are universally lauded for their exceptional reviewed measurements.  Lack of published manufacturer measurements is true for nearly every speaker manufacturer I've searched for on line, perhaps several hundred.   Same is true for amps, pre-amps, DACs, transports, turntables, well you get the picture.  Do they have something to hide?   I doubt the good quality products have anything to hide but poor quality products do.  

ASR prides itself in providing "true" measurements that will aid in purchase decisions.   Why don't the manufacturers provide these measurements so that reviewers can test if they are truthful or not?

Then there are the cables and tweaks for which I suspect that there are inadequate tests available to measure sonically perceived differences but which objectivists believe don't exist or are "snake oil."  

Well, please chime in if you have some illuminating thoughts on the subject.   

I would have loved to see manufacturers measurements on my equipment and especially those that I rejected.  

fleschler

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cd318
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kenjit

@mastering92

Again you are contradicting yourself. First you said

ASR is powerless to influence the highest ranks of this industry; such as the top-most Studios, wealthy audiophiles, and audio dealers.

Then you say

A great disservice is being done to manufacturers of audio equipment.

It cant be both. Either ASR group has the capacity to change the industry or it is powerless. Which is it?

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You feel that he is a threat to the industry because ignorance is bliss and you dont want to hear the truth. You are a typical audiophile.

I suggest you unplug your silver audio interconnects and throw them away as they are useless. I also suggest you have your TADS measured by ASR group.

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You might be shocked at what he finds. You have been warned. Amir is a master of exposing the truth.

A lot of these extremely expensive toys in the hifi market turn out to have abysmal performance.

Who are you to get in the way of our work?

If you have any counterevidence stop complaining, join the ASR forums and post your evidence.

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Audiophiles deserve the TRUTH and you have no right to interfere.

 

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Many good points raised here.

It’s disappointing that ASR, the primary site on the entire internet that focuses on the science of audio receives so much non science based criticism.

The very point of such sites is to try to steer debate away from personal opinion towards scientific facts, isn’t it?

Didn’t we get enough opinionated nonsense from a whole host of printed journals and magazines for decades and decades?

Isn’t a little more balance something we should welcome and not resent whilst we share our audio experiences with each other?

Amir now seems to taken over the mantle as the most attacked man in audio from the late Peter Aczel who was arguing many of the same things over 20 years ago.

 

Anyway, for some of us it’s good to know that there are still people out there on the side of the consumer in these uncertain times of ever diminishing trust.

Archimago’s Musings blogspot is another such site and long may they both continue.

 

 

cd318
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@glatzj 

Some more good points raised in a thread that's threatening to go off the rails.

 

Without standardized test methods, test equipment, and multiple people doing the same testing (to minimize bias and error), meaningful comparisons between equipment are difficult to achieve.

Apparently Amir's Klippel diagnostics system is amongst the most advanced in the world.

Many of the standard tests seen on ASR are now being seen on other sites too.

 

Marketing people love to claim cherry-picked specifications to try to get an edge for sales purposes. 

Business is often a cut throat dog eat dog world where the slightest edge can mean the difference between survival and death.

We rarely get to hear some of the heartbreak stories of what happens behind the scenes.

However there is one infamous case that actually spilled over into public consciousness - the notorious Linn v Ariston legal battle.

 

 

I'd like to see key reviewer get together and agree on how they are going to collaboratively test audio components - but that is not likely to happen.

No, it's not. Reviewing is also a dog eat dog world. There's only room for so many.

Especially not since most of them are merely peddlers of the following point you raise.

 

Then there is the subjective measurement/opinion ......

OK, mostly only the purely subjective side.

And this is where ASR and their like come in.

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