Dear Spiritofmusic: Great for you and good that you are absolutely satisfied listening your recordings with a very different RIAA curve on the one used to recorded it. At the end the most important issue is that you like it and that's your unique privilege.
Congratulations!
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Swampwalker: Correct. In the past Panasonic/Sao Win and other strain gauge cartridges were designed almost in the same way that the ones by SS with one main difference that they worked according to the RIAA eq. curve
SS choosed to left the " cartridge " with its natural curve that is not similar/same than the RIAA curve: has high deviations comparing it to the RIAA curve.
One advantage of that aproach is that the signal does not pass for that " tortuose " RIAA inverse eq. proccess as any other cartridge but in the other side has the disadvantage that what you are hearing is different of what is in the recording due that does not conforms to the RIAA eq. curve.
So you hear differences because the signal is equalized in different way. If you use an external equalizer in your system you can change the signal performance, the equalized signal will have a different tonal balance that all other cartridges with out that equalization.
As with many audio subjects some of us don't give to much importance to many subjects, sometimes because we ignore it we have not the knowledge about and sometimes because we just don't care.
RIAA eq. curve is the standard and I mean it. For years is what was used in the LP recordings and existed a " war " down there for all the LP manufacturers accepted only one eq. curve. This not happen two years ago but 40+ years ago. As I said the RIAA eq. is the standard and till the recording manufacturers alond the RIAA do not change that standard all the records will came and comes with the RIAA eq. curve and not the SS one.
The SS is an alternative, any one of us decide what to do and what we want.
I remember very clear that when I visited a friend in USA he was sticky with the SS over all his other cartridges ( including the Lyra Olympos. ). When I heard his SS my first reaction was: impressive. After more time of playback I start to note that on recordings that I know very well things were happened in different way so different that I don't like it because music does not sounds that way.
I asked to switch to the Lyra ones and everything goes fine. The last day that he mounted again the SS and heard it for a minutes I just can't " support " what I was hearing an prefer to go to the airport.
But, that's me.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Spiritofmusic: The subject is not really technical/academic and I'm not saying that your SG cartridge is a bad one because it is not: it is only different and because those differences IMHO we can't compare against any LOMC/MM/MI cartridge.
The point is that taking the measures that SS designer posted in other thread the SG system has a deviation swing of 2db between 50hz and 12khz ( this is in its equalization curve. ), that's not my information but the SS directly.
That 2b deviations in the SS curve you can compare against the inverse RIAA where any decent phono stage has a 0.1 db +,- over: 20hz to 20khz ( btw I ask the SS designer which were the measured deviations below 50hz and over 12khz with no single answer and I wonder why: could be because is even higher?. ).
That's is not technical or academic. It is as if you in a LOMC cartridge equalize the signal by 2dbs is some frequencies!!!!
IMHO that's is critical and makes the SG a different alternative that IMHO we can't compare against any other cartridge.
I'm not questioning that you or other persons like it no what I'm posting are only facts on what you are hearing. I really can't understand why the designer never disclose this information, information tha's critical.
Now, maybe you can understand when I say that you are hearing another/different recording in any single of your LPs because you are altering in heavy fashion what comes in the recording, simple as that.
Again, I'm not questioning you or that different alternative what I'm questioning is that we compare against the other alternatives LOMC/MM/MI because we are not comparing apples with apples: both are way different.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Slowlearner: First than all I agree with you that I'm expert on no-nothing and as everyone always willing to learn.
Second I'm not a seller and don't sale nothing, so don't worry.
Third, I have no agenda and nothing against you or your products. I respect you and your products and these is not the subject.
The main subject is very simple: conforms strictly to the RIAA eq. as any other cartridge/phono stage or not.
These were your words to TAS review and what you stated in this forum:
++++ " However, since the Strain Gauge is a DISPLACEMENT sensitive device, it automatically produces a basically flat response from a RIAA encoded groove, " ++++
and then added:
+++++ "
We are typically +/-1dB from 50Hz12kHznot bad
for this type of system. Above and below that, the arm-effects
that plague all types of cartridges enter into play " ++++
BASICALLY FLAT RESPONSE FROM A RIAA ENCODED GROOVES, how is that?: if a swing of 2 db from 50 hz to 12 khz is for you: basically flat well 3-4 or 1 db could be basically flat when any decent phono stage IMHO in reality is BASICALLY FLAT with a swing of 0'.2 db over a wider frequency: 20hz to 20khz.
Tha IMHO is BASICALLY FLAT and not those 2db from 50hz to 12khz that you states always. Don't you think?
One very polite reviewer stated:
++++ " Note that this is not a phono stage, the cartridge having a natural 6dB/octave roll-off. Pedants for accuracy will complain that the resultant output only approximates the RIAA curve " +++++
I can't understand why you are so angry when some one disclose these information/facts. If those information is wrong why not say it and disclose the correct/true information for all we audiophile/customers?
Which the problem that your customers be informed, at the end all are satisfied with?
I think that the newcomer have the right to know the true about the facts.
It is easy fro you to call me: " you are a liar, you are wrong. MY SG product conforms according the RIAA encoded grooves: 20hz to 20khz +,- 0.1db as any other decent phono stage ".
I have the right to questioning you or any other person when through your own site and through the net there is no single fact that confirm:
" BASICALLY FLAT RESPONSE FROM A RIAA ENCODED GROOVES "
and all of us have the right to now because you make advertazing on a product for people can buy it with out knowing that critical issue.
How do you name that non-informed product marketing?
This is what I posted to the owners in this thread:
++++ "
I'm not saying that your SG cartridge is a bad one because it is not: it is only different " ++++
+++ " I'm not questioning that you or other persons like it no " +++++
+++ " Again, I'm not questioning you or that different alternative what I'm questioning is that we compare against the other alternatives LOMC/MM/MI " ++++
I'm not against you or your very good products but if all what is in the post is a lie then just say it and say it why is a lie. Tha's all.
Don't be angry and don't blame me because those facts. I did not invented, were your own words!
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Slowlearner: ++++ " I think our website may not reflect that.
I have also made very significant improvements and changes to the cart design over the many years, as well as having included very slight EQ . ..." +++++
as I posted I'm only posted the facts are/were around your SG cartridges ( that's the information I had. ) and this is the very first time I read those statements you posted here that you never disclosed over the net or in the SG magazyne reviews. Good!
Thank's for your newest/latest explanation/information because now I understand that with that Eq. you aplied now your SG conforms according the RIAA curve. Easy to understand it.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Spiritofmusic: Other that the SG self technology what you are hearing is a lot lower cartridge signal manipulation/proccess and these facts means lower distortions than a normal LOMC/MM/MI cartridges.
That's what you are hearing, you are right on that.
regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Slowlearner: ++++ " - one of which is to present yourself as some kind of expert. You are simply not " +++++
over the time you always " insult " me in many ways when I never did or do it about your self or your products.
You posted I'm a manufacturer and several times I told you I'm not but it's obvious that because you questioning an answer is need it.
Things are that a few years ago I decided to explore the boundaries the " last frontier of traditional analog and was co-designer of a Phonolinepreamp designed expressly to use it by my self and no any one else.
When my self unit was finished a gentleman asked if he can have my unit if we can build one for him and we agree. I never promoted my unit with this gentleman, was he whom asked.
After that other people asked and we builded 8 units an that was all, today are 8 owners with a breackthrough nice active high gain Phonolinepreamp. The unit is not on sale, so please don't ask about.
As I posted and I agree with you: I'm not an expert on nothing. Like many other people that post in Agon: I'm first than all a music lover and an audiophile.
Here you can read how my unit measures ( it is not a simple spec: it's a real measure. ) on the RIAA eq. ( and beyond it. ) where the chart shows both channels and both channels with a RIAA deviation lower than 0.015 db:
https://picasaweb.google.com/104284617601331669309/1606201109?authkey=Gv1sRgCNrBhveq5uzC-AE#slideshow/5618984106525365922
IMHO not bad for a rockie like me .
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Thuchan: I think that or you did not read it the posts here or did not understand it.
I did not labelling Slowlearner: he was whom labelled me and this is not the first time.
In the other side, as I posted here I have not against P.L. or his good designs ( and certainly not a cruzade as you said. Please don't brought here your D. friend because you know exactly all the scenario down there. ). All about was to explain some statements that IMHO were not congruent with his measures.
He was kindy enough and for the first time ( anywhere ) he explained why today his SG conforms according the RIAA and " problem " fixed.
I think that my posts and his clear explanation post about was a very important and critical service to all audio community because nopw all of us have first hand information on that critical RIAA subject in the SG product.
If you consider non-appropiate what I did is up to you but today I'm less ignorant than yesterday ( as all the audiophiles that read this thread and owners of the SG cartridge. ) thank's to the Slowlearner explanation!
Thuchan, no one is perfect not even you.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Thuchan: +++++ " How does i feel if it happens to you? You see that this is not a fair approach.. " +++
why any one can give an advise to other person when that advisor does not followed/follows what he is advising? and this is in reference to you when supported/promoted and still do it to your Dertonarm friend ( Daniel Dietrich. ) that cheated/defrauded ( fortunatelly not me. The information came from other sources. ) so many people some of them with 50K+ dollars.
I brought here his name because you refered to him in your post.
You posted several times ( as Halcro, Syntax and Nandric. ) in favor of him after his frauds were knews in this and other net forums.
Of course he is your " friend " and you was not cheated ( yet? ) by him but what if you were one of those in good faith cheated persons that loosed big dollars in his hands?
" Hope you are learning! "
R. |
Dear Wrm57: Glad to know it. As I said: no one is perfect.
Thuchan: I gave up with you. This as any other thread is not a contest for me. Have fun.
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
Dear Stevecham: Yes, unfortunatelly the English language is not my native one. Anyway, how is that almost every one understand my posts but you?. Take a look:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1368310143&openflup&4&4#4
Now please let me know what of these statements that I posted you don't understand because you are " blaming " me because my english: ok, let me know:
+++++ " SS choosed to left the " cartridge " with its natural curve that is not similar/same than the RIAA curve: has high deviations comparing it to the RIAA curve.
One advantage of that aproach is that the signal does not pass for that " tortuose " RIAA inverse eq. proccess as any other cartridge but in the other side has the disadvantage that what you are hearing is different of what is in the recording due that does not conforms to the RIAA eq. curve.
So you hear differences because the signal is equalized in different way. If you use an external equalizer in your system you can change the signal performance, the equalized signal will have a different tonal balance that all other cartridges with out that equalization.
As with many audio subjects some of us don't give to much importance to many subjects, sometimes because we ignore it we have not the knowledge about and sometimes because we just don't care.
RIAA eq. curve is the standard and I mean it. " +++++
Regards and enjoy the music,
R. |
