My new Idler - but is it an idler ?


Some time after my rediscovery of vinyl, I started toying with the idea of building a turntable. At the time I owned an idler (Dual 1219) and a DD (Technics SL-QL1). For me, the Dual was a small revelation (although there was The Rumble) and started me on an If... path.

Put it simply, what about designing an idler with modern materials, technologies and principles ?

Almost 3 years later - and 2 prototypes - I think I might be getting somewhere. I leave some picts and details for your "viewing pleasure".


  • Plint made from steel reinforced concrete containing all locating points
  • Subframe from Aluminium / Acrylate sandwich
  • Inverted bearing design with twin ceramic spheres as the thrust surfaces
  • Aluminium Platter with an inner acrilic ring and underside rubber matting for damping control
  • Epyciclic drive - the motor pulley directly drives the inner rim of the platter, so no real idler drive…
  • BLDC motor with electronic control and speed switching
  • Armboard made from an aluminium / corian sandwich


Externally, I used black Alcantara for finishing (no nasty fingerprints), with the sideboards made blackened mahogany. Later, (after loosing 2 stylus to an excited child…) I added a darkened acrylic cover with a tilt/slide opening.


Overall, the main drivers for the design have been speed stability, low background noise and resonance control - hence the several “sandwiches”. Speed stability is where I think some progress is still needed, but I have an upgrade coming along.

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Alcantara is a synthetic replacement for suede. It's tough wearing and UV-proof. It's commonly used for car interiors (higher-endish) and also household upholstery...
You're right, but I meant "integrated" drive systems, not add-ons.

I didn't know the Trans-fi and it's interesting. But I wonder if the drive ratio from motor to platter (very small pulley) very akin to a belt-drive, doesn't make its playing signature closer to a belt-drive, than an idler.

Well, to my ears it sounds better than both the Dual and the Technics.
The bass is noticeably better than both.

Currently, I'm using an Ortofon 2M Blue, and I had a Denon DL-160 (broken stylus now)

I would like to compare it with other TT's, but that's all I have...




I want to give a little more detail about something that took more effort than I was expecting: the pulley clutch.

To save the pulley from eventually deforming by being always in contact with the rim, there’s a need for some mechanism to move it out of the way when not in use.

From the start I used a simple vertical hinge consisting of an urethane strip. With power off, a spring pushes the motor / pulley assembly away from the rim. When power is back, a solenoid retracts the spring and gravity pulls the motor down and the pulley touches the rim.

However, the pulley seldom contacts the rim in an absolutely perpendicular “true” way, ending up “riding” slightly the surface of the rim. This causes small speed fluctuations (wow) that sometimes can be heard.

To counteract this i devised a more complex clutch, where the pulley approaches the rim in a completely perpendicular / true way, only applying pressure when needed.

I'm quite pleased with the way it worked out. It looks good and it's noiseless when engaging / disengaging. In fact the pulley is always touching the rim, but pressure is only applied when On.

I still have to measure the final result using PlatterSpeed / Adjust+...

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