My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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Hello whitecamaross,

I own a Pass Labs X250.8 amp and Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 preamp and was considering trading these and cash for Pass X350.8 and ARC REF 6 preamp and my dealer strongly recommended for same money to get the Luxman M-900u and C-900u.

The few people that have heard the Luxman combo told me absolutely do it. You loved your Pass 250.8 like I do and your thread is too long for me to read the whole thing...lol but I read a lot of it.

Can you you tell me what you think about making this change? Thanks for the time and all you do to share here with all of us.
Thanks 
Thanks - I ordered new speakers at Thanksgiving and should be delivered to me next week so I’m all set with speakers. I traded my Magico S5 Speakers for Magico S5 MK II version and I’m pretty excited.

Also, my DAC/Server combo is fantastic as well. It’s the Bricasti Design M1 Special Edition w/Optional M12 Ethernet Media Player. I feed it via a custom SGC sonicTransport Roon Sever powered by the 2 Rail - Uptone Audio JS-2 Linear Power Supply via custom DC cables by Oyaide and my Network is driven by a Bespoke OCXO Ethernet Switch and Linear Power Supply from The Linear Technology company. I’ve been focus on delvoping and evolving my digital front end for years and this current set up is much better than all the Lumin, Auralic, Antipods Servers I’ve owned. 

I run full lool of Kubala-Sosna Emotion / Elation as well. 

I now and considering trading my Pass Labs X250.8 and Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 preamp for Luxman C-900u preamp and M-900u Stereo Amp.

I’ve owner a half dozen Pass amps and am a huge fan but I’m interested in pushing my system forward. 

I have spoke to people that have owned the X250.8 that have changed to the M-900u and both said it is a much better amp. It’s a lot more money also but from what I am hearing the combo is a legit top flight reference product that is much better then my current combo and trying to acquire as much feedback from people that have heard the amp.

Dep14 Have you heard the Luxman? If you have you would be the first one to advise keeping the pass which is great but wanted to make sure it based on hearing the Luxman rather then appreciation for the Pass amp which I agree is great.

it was recommended that I ask whitecamarross as I think he has owned both and want his advice as well.

 Thanks so much for the feedback.

i appreciate it. 
whitecamaross OP

Thanks for your feedback. I owned the X350.5 for about a year and now own the X250.8 for last 3 months or so and like the X250.8 a little better.

They are close but at lower/normal levels I find the 250.8 a little more dynamic and offers a little better control and the 350.5 was warmer but both are pretty warm.

I am huge fan of Nelson's amps and the person. I got to know him a little over the years having him upgrade some of my First Watt amps and that sort of thing. Great guy...

So please in your opinion you would go for the Luxman?

Do you think I should go for the preamp also? 

My preamp is a product that really surprised me. It's an older ss preamp and when I bought it I was not thinking it was going to be best the preamp I have ever owned and better then Pass XP-30, ARC REF 5SE and others but the

Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 is an incredible preamp.

It is the quietest and most dynamic with huge and laser focus sound stage with a sheen of warmth. 

I can sit here and tell anyone for the money this thing is a total giant killer. It is an older unit and sort of rare but man it is good. 

Now I assume the C-900u being new and more money should be better but wanted to see if anyone has heard it and more to the point to the two together? 

Would love to hear from anyone that heard the combo?

Do you think the Luxman amp will have enough power for my Magico S5 MK II Speakers? I def cannot afford to buy 2 as mono's. The Lux combo is a big stretch money wise as it is?

I am not a loud listener. I listen to normal levels and sometimes a bit louder but not into real loud music except at very rare times and then it is for a short time only. 

I would love your thoughts on the Lux combo to go with my new speakers.

I think I am going to go for it if the power will be enough for my speakers which I am pretty sure it is but again just trying to get all the info I can before pulling the trigger?

Here is a quick copy and paste of my virtual system for reference and a couple pics if it helps to see what the Luxmans will be paired with.

Thanks 

Associated Equipment:

* Loudspeakers:
Magico S5 MK II Speakers MCast Pewter

* Preamplification:
Preamplifier: Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 Reference, Antique Sound Labs AQ-2004DT Tube Linestage 
Phonostage: Sutherland Engineering Duo Phonostage.

* Power Amplifiers:
Pass Labs X250.8 Stereo Amplifier

* Digital:
DAC: Bricasti Design M1 Special Edition DAC;
Digital Transport: Bricasti M12 Built In Ethernet Network Player, Re-Clocker: Wyred 4 Sound C Remedy Femto (for cable box - huge upgrade)
USB: Uptone Audio ISO Regen (for USB attached network HDD) 

* Power Supplies:
Power Supplies: Uptone Audio JS-2 (2-Rail) Linear Power Supply, (powers SGC sonicTransport and Version Fios Router) The Linear Solution LPS-912 Linear Power Supply (Powers OCXO Switch), Breeze Audio 12v Linear Power Supply (2-units, powers WFS Remedy and HDD), iFi Audio iPower 9V DC Power Supply.  

* Audio Network Server Hardware/Software:
Servers: Small Green Computer SonicTransport Roon server via Sonic Orbiter 2.7 power the JS-2. 
PC: Qotom 190S Dual Port - Baytrail J1900 12v Micro-PC, Storage: WD My Cloud 12v 2TB NAS, 
Network Switch: The Linear Solution OCXO Audiophile Switch, Audio Software:  Sonic Orbiter 2.7, Roon 1.6, Windows 10 Pro, Audiophil Optimizer, Fidelizer 8.0 Pro, JPlay, JRiver MC23,  

* Analogue:
Turntable: Rega Planer 8 & Neo PSU,
Tonearm: Rega RB880 Tonearm,
Cartridge: Rega Apheta 2 MC,

* Cables:
Interconnect Cables: Kubala-Sosna Research Emotion XLR 2.0M, Kubala-Sosna Research Emotion XLR 1.5M, Darwin Ascension RCA 0.5M, Audioquest Fire RCA 1.0M,
Speaker Cables: Kubala-Sosna Research Emotion 2.5M Spades, AC Cables : Kubala-Sosna Emotion 2M (2-cables),Kubala-Sosna Elation 1.5M, Audience AU24se LP 1.0M (2-cables), Audience AU24se MP 1.0M, Audioquest Tornado 1.0M, Zu Event MKI (3 cables), Zu Mission 2.0M,
DC Cables: Gent Audio Custom DC Cables (Canare/Oyaide) (6), USB: Audiocadabra Ultimus3 Double-Headed Solid-Silver USB Cable, Curious Cables 200m Regen link, Uptone Audio USPCB A/B Adapter,
Digital: Black Cat Silverstar 75 BNC/RCA, MIT Terminator-3 RCA, DH Labs Silver Sonic D-75 RCA (2), Tara Labs Prism 100dx-1 Tosilink,
HDMI: AudioQuest Chocolate 1.0M, AudioQuest Forest 3.0M, Ethernet: AudioQuest Vodka RJ/E 1.0M, AudioQuest Forest RJ/E 1.0 (2), Cardas Clear RJ/E 0.5M, The Linear Solution Reference RJ/E 1.5M.

* Sundries / Accessories:
Solid Tech Hybrid 3 Shelve Audio Racks (2 of these) w/White Shelves and Silver Pillars, Solid Tech Rack of Silence Reference Amplifier Stand, SRA Ohio Class Isolation Platform, Symposium Acoustics Svelte Plus Isolation Platform, Isoacoustic Iso-pucks (12), Red Dragon Audio Ceramic Cable Elevators (4), EdenSound Brass Vibration Weights (8), Bright Star IsoNode Footers, DROK USB Multi-meter/Tester, Audioquest Niagara 1000 AC Conditioner, PS Audio Noise Harvesters (6), PS Audio Juice bar MKII, Furutech GTX (R) outlet, Oyaide R1 Beryllium AC Wall outlets (2) ; Blue Circle Audio The Yalu Balula (Passive Room/System Protection) (3)

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Guys - thanks for the help with the Luxman combo.

Part of me is thinking to try the amp first because I just love my Simaudio Moon Evolution P-8 preamp and I am sure I can do this but the other parts thinks to just get them both and be done with it.

The only thing that is bummer for me is I know how I am. I will be chasing that 2nd M-900u mono-block prob 15 minutes after I set everything up...lol 

Why does this hobby do that to us... lol  

Thanks guys - also thinking about another go at vinyl and have a great offer in a La Platine Verdier turntable?

Anyone ever hear one of these bad boy turntables?? They have been making them since forever but my dealer says they will make your eye's water but I have never heard one myself.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/35630112@N05/x45MTX

https://www.flickr.com/gp/35630112@N05/JHy95Y

Great thread and thanks for the help and feedback. 

folkfreak
and
viber6

Thanks so much! I am no expert at all with turntable set up so this may not be a good idea but I so want to have a really good sounding turntable. Just a few weeks ago I bought the new Rega Planer 8 turntable with Apheta 2 cart and Sutherland Engineering phonostage and sold it all because it wasn't even close to my Bricasti M1SE.

For the Verdier he offered my the choice of black on black 12" Schick arm or an AMG arm or the Wand arm with a mounted Ortofon Winfeld Ti MC cart?

I am not familiar with any of these? Any arm you prefer? If I got the best of these arms and this cart with this TT could it compete with my Bricasti? My Bricasti destroyed the Rega?

Thanks so much! 
Yes thanks I will.

whitecaraross - your amp info and this thread is second to nothing I have read or seen before. Thank you

How close does the PS Audio BKH300 mono blocks come to the Luxman.

I ask because I had an incredible offer on a pair 2/10 cost of Luxman and you have owned my speakers and told me that a single Luxman M-900u will be great but not get all they have. I won't have the money for a 2nd Luxman anytime soon so wanted your thoughts on the BKH300's. I assume obviously not as good but if will work better with my speakers wanted to ask you. 

 
Thanks for the patience guys.

Don’t want to mess up your thread but there are a lot smart, experienced and helpful eyes 👀 on this thread.
Pretty impressive.

Im going to take whart up and start a Verdier - any recommendations on what to call it?

Also,

viber6 - I sold my entire analog front end. Was going to apply the funds into getting a Luxman combo but now they seem to be having supply troubles with the amps. I guess they just sold a bunch of them last week and are waiting for more from Japan.

I’m in no hurry. I’ll buy today or in a month. No big deal - love my rig either way.

The Bricasti M1SE w/built in Roon Ready ethernet media player vs Rega P8/Apheta 2 /Sutherland Duo - honestly it was never close.

Im not a Rega basher by any means as I really wanted to like It badly and committed to it and paid my money and I really like the company and what it stands for but it was a legit shock and awe campaign as the Rega was pounded, it’s line breached and quickly overwhelmed and overrun, surrounded and forced to copitulate in short order and the result was never in question. 

The Bricasti just smashed the Rega. I honestly would be glad to talk about sound stage, upper mids, top end, transparency, dynamics, leading edge but there is not one thing I can point to.

It was such a mismatch I was actually bummed out. My wife a total non Audiophile that loves music says “why does it sound like that”. Sure I tried brother in arms, some Marvin Gay, Vanessa Fernandez and mached the tracks and that made it even worse? 

I mean my digital delivery system in front of the DAC is quite refined so even a $500 DAC would sound quite good and in many ways it was an unfair fight. 

Thats why I’m thinking - Verdier, Schick 12” Arm, Ortofon Winfeld Cart might do the trick. Need a phonostage also as I dumped my Duo and was thinking maybe a Allnic 1201 or Manley Chinook SE but a few guys say those aren’t good enough? Almost out of audio funds so may need skimp a bit on phonostage but all the vinyl guys say that’s a no no no don’t do that but never can find a used Herron so not sure what to do there... sorry guys.... killer thread.... 
My Magico speaker dealer just texted me an offer on a:

Gryphon Diablo 300 Integrated

Luxman amps are all sold out for a while?

Anyone ever hear this beast? It was not even on my radar and my Magico dealer told me he thinks match made in heave for S5 MK II.

Anyone know anything about it?


Thanks 
If you had to chose today / now one of these sets of mono-blocks for same money what would you choose? 

Pass labs XA-160.8 monos

- or -  

Mark Levinson 536 monos

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Associated gear

Source
Bricasti M1SE w/M12 built in ethernet media player
SGC sonicTranporter Roon Server w/Uptone JS-2 LPS
TLS OCXO ethernet Switch & 912 OCXO LPS 
TLS Reference CAT7 ethernet cable loom
TLS Reference DC cable loom 

Preamp
(Either Mark Levinson 523 or Pass Labs XP-30) based on monos chosen

Speakers
Magico S5 MK II 

Cables
Kubala-Sosna Emotion/Elation Full Loom

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Not going with the Luxman combo so have it down to these two choices
= love some feedback from all the sharp folks on here and of course
whitecamaross