My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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WCSS this 10 yo amp has too many electronic parts with all those settings IMO. Just to many things to get in the way.....more gimmicks, again just my honest thoughts that you have asked for.
Still enjoying your journey.
Thanks WC for the video. I went back and forth 6 times and even though I did hear differences it was the Audiomica that was fuller but more important it came across as musical. The Odin seemed brighter with more top end but lacked a rythm to the sound. Just my opinion. 
I've been re-listening to the video and I can hear what others are saying BUT it is my opinion that the Odin cabled are not a universal cable especially since WC changes so many pieces whether it's amps, speakers or some new digital piece. WC you need to have a variety of cables for evaluation with other gear. Just keeping the Odin's or just Audiomica is not the way to go but hey it's your journey but more important it's your $$$.
Keep the journey going!
WC how can you listen to the Gryphon WITHOUT HAVING A PC on it? 😉
I'm assuming you mean an Odin or Audiomica? Just using a stock ac cord?
I'd sum things up as the Odin more detailed and even top to bottom while the Audiomica a bit warmer and musical.
So I saw were a guy on one of your YouTube videos asked his significant other to listen and see what she heard. Great idea so I asked my wife who loves music but could care less about my obsession. (Lol). Well going back and forth she says she can hear some things clearer (it was the Odin  cables) but she felt the other cables had overall more emotion and weight although not her exact words. Now I didn't tell her it was cables we were listening to that made the difference but when I did she said I was just crazy (she called me some things I can't post...hahaha). 
So here's a guy on Agon selling some Odin series 1 speaker cable for a cool 14k !
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lis9eh8h-nordost-odin-3m-banana-to-banana-speaker
So WC are you using which version of Odin cables and what's the retail of them vs Audiomica? (Not that price should have anything to do with SQ)
@essrand I've been a big fan of Audiomica cables now for awhile but if you've only experienced the ic and sc wait till you try their ac cords. They have made me forget about upgrading equipment and just enjoy the music.
From my own perspective your latest video sounds great but not my cup of tea. Others in the past sounded more natural and real. Hard for me to really put in words but this setup is just too powerful for my taste. Yes this is what you are after and that's what it's about and I'm thrilled for you and your journey but I like something I can relax to but then be startled when the music demands. 
Again your hard work as always is most appreciated. 
Be safe!
WC a quick question. Doesn't Wilson Audio offer free set-up on their speakers? Yes probably if bought thru a Wilson dealer but reading thru your posts seems like your current Wilson's are new. Wouldn't it be best if you had the Wilson "experts" fine tune your speakers? Once that was done you could mark the spot then try other positions as you saw fit. Thoughts?
WC what cord do you need the voodoo adapter for and where will it be used? 
Yes can hear the changes. My guess is 1st was with Christine pre next was direct. 2nd a bit too clean IMHO.
Gryphon may be a great match with a full Gryphon system (amp,speakers,pre) but no one will buy their cables for anything but Gryphon. Just my opinion
I thought your last video was the cleanest with great speed and good decay. Could have been from the Christine pre in the chain? (Hope it was in the mix or .....lol)
Techno I don't think you need a 40k pre to make WC system sing in fact I personally thought the Christine pre sounded cleaner and maybe even more musical but again really hard to hear all the nuances via an iPad. Myself I'm saving for a Christine that can be had for around 6k.

Have to agree with @daveyf about YouTube. I'm not into viewing any YouTube videos, never have been never will be. Sorry

Interesting article? No really IMO. He only looks at names from manufacturers that promote in N. America. Take a look at the ezine Mono$Stereo and you will dozens of manufacturers you've never heard of with prices that match or exceed what is mentioned in the article. Now I've not heard/listened to any so will not say anything about sound quality but I do like and believe Matej Isak the reviewer there than almost any other from US or Canadian mags. Again just my opinion. (You did ask :-) )
Sorry but have heard many of those Synergistic pieces and while they can change the sound to me it wasn't natural sounding. Many like the change but I'd prefer ahnatural. Will see/hear what WC thinks.
Already know what SR does....takes away SOUL to the music. Yes it changes the sound but not the way I want to hear things. Just my experience YMMV.
WC a few threads back you said "...Harder to pick apart things when you are walking at the top of the mountain......"
I respectfully disagree. The higher up you are the more resolving things should be so easier to hear even small changes. Don't you think?
@thezaks had the SR receptacles and didn’t like them they had an edge to them. Tried the Furutech GTX NCF rhodium duplex and boy they made a wonderful improvement but it did take hundreds of hours to break-in. YMMV

Yup every time viber6 posts here I never even read them anymore just skip over. Sad they take so much room  even after so many ask him to stop posting

2nd presentation lost some "life" and just didn't engage like 1st presentation did. My guess is 1st is without footers.
WC I remember months ago when the importer of Audiomica cables sent you their cables to try and said something to the effect "have a listen and tell all your honest opinion good or bad" now that's how all manufacturers should do it. If they truly believe in their products. I'm now a believer in Audiomica cables and have slowly been adding more to my system. 
So please be honest and keep telling us how you really feel about a piece of gear and don't worry about anyone saying anything behind your back. Be true to yourself and your followers.
Shouldn’t this have read:
-Arnold Schwarzenegger’s musculature (Jay’s build!)
:-) 
Since you asked my preference has always been musicality over all. Yes want detail but if I don’t want to listen after 20-30 minutes why bother. 

OMG now Viber6 is saying  "It is not meaningful which setup is voted the highest majority.  What counts is the detailed analysis submitted by a few commenters here or on YT--...." 

What a crock of $hit! He now is the one to say who's opinion should count! Give me a break. He should be banned from posting here.

WC don't recall but which gear did you use those Audiomica cables in? Would they be a choice for divertiti system? I've thought they are very musical and open and for the money have made me forget about looking or listening too other cables....at least for now. Lol
"....and measuring the floor down to inches".
A dealer tought me never to measure with a ruler but use one of those digital tape measures so you can within 1/4 mm accuracy. Always measure from each corner of your speaker to the center of your listening seat. By measuring from each corner of the speaker you not only get distance correct but toe'-in as well. Of course there's lot of experimenting to get things just right.
WC if you're been scammed AGAIN you must inform this community by whom so we can avoid that person/establishment. Please do tell.
WC I don't understand, if you were truly scammed and lost $$ why not tell our community by whom? 
Yes if anything it will make it more artificial sounding if in fact that is how you perceive the speakers to sound. I personally find the speakers to sound neutral without life and preferred the Wilson's but again that's my opinion.
I doubt there are owners of these high priced speakers/amps trolling thru these forums to comment. Most are out driving their Lamborghini"s to their summer homes on lakes or some resort in the mountains. That leaves us true audiophiles to comment on what we hear good or bad. 
Thought the Kharma/Boulder combo was so musical. Sorry Jay I think this sound beats your setup but it just may be the room. As we all know a room plays as much to do with how things will sound as the equipment does. 
@jays regarding these yet to be revealed speakers how many times have you sat down and listened to them? At a dealer or maybe Axpona? With what amps? 
Sorry this latest video didn't impress. Top end has way too much energy or wow for my taste. 
Yes the Furutech power "stuff" has been an eye, or ear of delight. Over the years I've tried Oyaide white outlets which were very nice sounding but on the recommendation of a dealer tried the GTX outlets. After almost 500+ hours I started to understand what blackness was like seeing/hearing in the soundstage. Then upgraded to the GTX NCF version and another improvement. Had a listen to the Furutech Flux and did nothing. But was lent a Pranawire Linebacker and yes more improvements. So give any of these products a listen yourself and hear what might be possible. Outlets are the hardest to compare but in the end it will be worth the effort and expense.

I guess I've even away from this thread too long but @jays_audio_lab are you now another on-line dealer pushing gear? 

"The same goes for cables: have a unknown cable brand that you feel murders the crazy obscene expensive cable brands out there such as Nordost, transparent, synergistic, audioquest Dragon, etc etc? I also want to hear from you.
I don't want to spend $10k on a powercord. I rather spend $1,500 and save $8500"

So you had some unknown cables from Poland Audiomica and thought they sounded wonderful. I now use many of their cables that have replaced PAD and Cardas all thanks to you. So thank you. Wonder if a full loom of Audiomica would be just the ticket.