My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


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WC Too bad you got rid of the Chord Dave.  Been trying out the new Chord M-scaler and it elevates the Dave’s SQ ten fold!  I can’t imagine anything bettering it.

Perhaps Santa will have a Rane under the tree for all of us.
Merry Christmas to all
PS....W.C. After looking at the size of the Neoliths I must conclude your wife is a saint or she is mute.  

He writes 2 paragraphs of how and what to use and then doesn’t give specific examples as like we are going to listen to a dozen of musty boring recordings and choose one.    Lol So many posters are just old bags of hot air.
I hate violin solos unless you EQ it thru a Rane!
I find Stradivarius roll of high frequencies too much specially with the later woods used in their construction or the chemicals used to treat the woods.
lol
Geezuz Quido, just pull a record out of your massive collection and tell us exactly which performance you like best .   Do you have any copies if Rite of Spring?
Surely you picked one of the best. 
Avantgardes have horns to fit any size room!  I am considering the Uno Finos XD for my smallish 11x14 and have audioned them in a 14 x 17 room in which they sounded more than great.
 Careful buying used because latest XD series is the one to get and proper set up by a knowledgeable person or dealer is CRITICAL. 
I love RadioShack speaker wire. Before they closed I bought all the remaining    stock in the 2 local stores near me!.....yay for me!    Great synergy with my Rane equalizer and Tekton speakers.  I may part with a 25ft roll or 2 if the price is right.
Just remember what Nordost charges per foot before you make me an offer!

So I’m assuming your Lampizator bit the dust? Not worth repairing? Or taken on trade? I remember you were sending it to Poland. Not an inexpensive proposition just for a check up.  I have heard it’s not a matter of if a Lampi will break but of when. Other than that they are outstanding DACs. 
For the time being here is another report on the same show of the Magicos A3 you said sounded like garbage from other sources. Yeah maybe not in the same league as the 50K and up speaker level you have been listening to but they shouldn’t be slammed because they are entry level for the masses to high end audio.
https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2019/03/17/florida-2019-magico-luxman-audioquest-critical-mass-system...
If you had a Rane equalizer you could make the Neoliths midrange cause earbleeds too! Lol.......
I think some good horn speakers would tick all the boxes you like. The Avantgardes are gorgeous in sound and looks. And the best part you don’t need boat anchors for amplification. You will open up a whole new chapter of small set type amps to explore.  They are endgame sota speakers that I would get in a heart if I had a bigger space than my 11x14 ft office. The Lampizators love horns too!
Reflector 6H30P-DR’s and Winged C SED 6550C’s if you can find some are supposed to elevate the Ref10 to a new level.
Bireli Lagrene.......”More”.......is absolutely marvelous
You can clearly hear the delicate guitar bends, slides and harmonics of the instrument.

WC you do know there is at minimum of 3 months of 95 to 100Db music playing 24/7 to break in the room? All new surfaces are electromagnetically neutral and have to be bombarded to make the electron dielectric surface uniform in their alpha-sine sound wave reflectance properties.
Well.......you have had some gawd awful looking speakers! Some only their mama could love! Lol.........sorry

Lii Audio (Xizi Audio) has been found in 2016, by the rear of beautiful Xizi Lake in Hangzhou, China. 
 Need I say anymore?

Sorry WC, but I’ve never heard of anyone saying I wish I had a Boulder preamp unless they had a Boulder amp. But hey, you won’t know till you try it. 
I am not patient enough to watch videos.  Specially trying to decide between audio components which can be hard to discern even if they are in my own room.
aural memory is so short.  So my interest in this thread has dwindled specially with all the experts chiming in after listening through their iPads or iPhones and making earth shattering proclamations. 
You should post a photo of Surf n Turf from Long Horn and another from Outback and then ask which taste better and is the most tender! Almost the same thing. Just saying. Lol
WC is the only one eating so only his opinion counts. The guys looking at photos can only speculate with nonsense and that’s what this thread has degraded to.
Well, some people just like to read, others like videos.  Most of my free time I spend multitasking, watching tv with the family and reading on my ipad. To watch videos I would have to use EarPods or something similar which I’m not too fond of. This thread is just entertainment for me and I do watch an occasional video as I have several hobbies but only then as a last resort. 
You want people to watch your videos because it eventually could be a source of revenue (Advertisers) to help offset all your hard work.  I don’t blame you, I would want that too and I fully understand. 
Aren Bryston amps made in Canada? Doesn’t that make them a foreign country?
 Did Trump buy Canada and make it part of the USA?
Viper666.......so tell us about your fantastic Carlo Robelli Violin......and how it sounds compared to the Guarneri.......and the modifications you made to it. Describe in your eloquent manner the aural qualities only you hear from your comparatively modest instrument . What gauge lamp wire did you use for each string? Any fuses involved? Built in Rane? I can’t wait to hear about the bow. 
ricevs 
How much do you think you could sell a self modified Tekton? I would be hard pressed to give you 25% of the investment no matter how good it sounded because in reality that’s all it would be worth on the market.
Jay
So then why this exercise in futility? Why bother if one of the building cornerstones (music server)is faulty or not optimal? There are no valid correlations to be drawn.
You are just trying to milk the system for u tube traffic with a no reveal. I unsubscribed months ago because it became just a waste of time for a tidbit of info.
Oddly enough Vac 200 IQ and Vac Master Preamp is what I use which replaced my Gryphon Diablo 300. It has a more relaxed musical presentation with my Magico S3 Mk2. My dedicated listening room is a very small 11X14 foot space and pretty much limits me in what I can use. I also use a Chord Dave Dac and LUMIN server. Not much desire in upgrading as I think I can only make it sound different and perhaps not better……..
Suncoast Audio (shameless plug) was instrumental in helping me put a system together that sounds good TO ME………without very many costly detours along the way. Mike helped guide me and presented choices without hard sells to achieve my sonic goals thus a big shout out to him.
dang…..take a picture of that setup ricevs……..wanna see the inner tubes….I need a good laugh!

I have the Vac Master preamp and I have vintage tubes in it which can elevate the experience even more than the stock tubes.  It’s an awesome piece of equipment which I have matched to their Vac 200 iq. I can only dream of how it sounds paired to the Statement monos