My Experience With Tekton
I know this is a polarizing discussion point and was thus hesitant to share unless I could keep it objective, helpful, and concise
I have no intention to be inflammatory, sway anyone’s current opinion or beliefs
I merely want to share information in two specific areas, my results of product performance and my experience with the manufacturer
Background and reference point
I replaced a pair of Revel F36. The F36 is the upper end of Revel’s lowest tier floorstanding speakers and retails for $2,000 MSRP per pair
Took approx. 45 mins to unbox, level and connect
Like for like drop-in replacement, same location on the floor as the F36s, the listening position did not change, identical electronics and cables
We’ve all got our preferences, biases, different levels of experience, etc; but share the common limitation that we just don’t know what we don’t know
I’ve not heard a pair of 30K speakers but expect to someday and envy those that own them
In my VERY limited understanding, it’s near impossible to pinpoint how any specific system change will behave and perform across the board, contingent on the variances in electronics, set up and room. These three items alone (electronics, setup and room) make me think that while similar in nature, but at a critical listening level, each combination is unique and a different snowflake or fingerprint
Listening results
Product delivers as advertised
Meets or exceeds every performance expectation I had hoped for
After approx. 5 hours of listening over 3 days I tried to characterize the sound. The first thought was neutral, but that was understating what I was hearing. I eventually landed on natural or real. The voices and the instruments sound VERY real to me. This is as close as I have come with my electronics, setup and room to sensing that someone is singing to me or that someone or an entire band is playing for me
To date, each song that I’ve played, is the best version of that song that I have heard in a playback, and I’ve listened to all of them 100s and 100s of times
Some of the improvement was by a small margin, but most songs, 65% conservatively speaking, by a vast margin – night and day, game changing stuff
Chet Baker didn’t sound like a presentation from 1958, it sounded as fresh and real as a new recording with the benefits of 60 years of technology advancements. Exile on Main Street didn’t sound like a home recording from 1972 it sounded like 2022 with many layers of percussion, keyboards, horns and background vocals
Is the sound of this $5,000 pair of speakers comparable to the sound of a $30,000 pair of speakers? I don’t know, as mentioned I’ve not heard a pair of $30,000 speakers.
What I do know is the $5,000 pair of speakers, simply put is the best my system has sounded by a wide margin
Again in summary, it sounds real, like someone is singing to me
Experience with the manufacturer
I had hemmed and hawed for 2 or 3 months before placing my order. One day the website mentioned a future price increase but until mmdd you could still order at the current price
I called and spoke with Tammy and told her I wanted to lock in on the current price point but wasn’t sure what product or configuration I wanted
She built an open-ended order with current pricing and told me to contact her when I knew what I wanted
With work travel and other commitments it took me 4 months to finalize which speaker, Moab, which upgrades, beryllium tweeters and Cardas connectors, and what color, white
I was never pressured to make up my mind or that my window for the lower costs was going to expire
Since I was the one dragging my feet, I offered multiple times to pay for the product
Not once did they hint or take me up on my offer to pay in advance
They did not bill me until the product shipped
Once I had made all the config decisions, the build and delivery were again, as advertised
Tammy mentioned a 4–6-week supply chain delay with beryllium, that arrived within her estimated timeframe
Once the beryllium arrived, she said she was waiting on cabinets, eta 5-7 days, followed by build and paint, and shipping approx. 10 days after she received the cabinets
Within 2 weeks Tammy emailed my owner’s manual, unpacking instructions and told me to expect a call from the freight company within the next week
Freight company contacted me on that Fri and scheduled delivery for the very next Mon, Aug 30
The boxes arrived scuffed and with multiple impact points that dented the packing material
There are no blemishes or damage to either speaker cabinet, the packing and packaging worked as designed
Upon unpacking, I didn’t experience a heavy smell of paint or wood, if I put my nose to the cabinet, I could smell fresh paint
The cabinet finish or construction does not appear inferior to anything else in my inventory, KEF, Revel, Klipsch, Paradigm, Polk, and Elac – permission in advance to laugh
Enjoy the journey and happy listening
Respectfully
lpretiring303 posts09-12-2021 12:47pm@waltersalas Some very well thought out review of Tekton forum history here on Agon, and IMHO extremely accurate. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gracias for at least telling us **IMHO** 2 cents anda opinion will not get you a Starbucks coffee.. hehe |
millercarbon10,864 posts09-12-2021 1:29pmStratosphere only? Dang. Was shooting for ionosphere. Can you at least give me mesosphere? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My WBers are out of the Milky Way, Hows dem cookies for ya haha Midrange only,. Bass/Highs,, well I guess these Tektonics beat my WBers in that department. |
WOW 94 db sens. Even if its close to 94db, I'd say it should sound pretty good. + I love the fact has paprus fabric cone wmidwofers. waittt, now i see 94db at 2.8 v/m,,,hummm, I prefer rto see sens as 1 meter, as is normal,...something fishy about the specs. Besides why 7 tweets per channel??? 1 pure Be/Nd tweet from DavidLouis under $200 pair... beats 7 OK tweets. I just dont see the need for 7 tweets. How much are these guys anyway? https://www.stereophile.com/content/tekton-design-impact-monitor-loudspeaker-specifications |
asked several times by me and others how his company tested the product for sensitivity ratings
EVERY single lab making midwoofers/tweeters are fudging the sensitivity numbers,,ever since I alerted the audiophile community about how EXTREMELY important and super duper critical was sens db ratings...Seas has their **FlagShip* Crescendo tweeter at 92db sens. My tech tested it, says its no more than 87db,,I tested it, its really not more than 83db, IF THAT.. 1/2 the sens of theie old Flagship the Millennium. I do not trust any labs sens #'s. As for charts,,hahahah , big lie there too. The only speaker I have found accurate on high sens ratings are wide bands,, some are true, while some are fudged. . Like Voxativ,, claim 95db on their AC1A, ,My tests show its not more than 83db sens,,IF THAT! Buyer beware is all I have to say. Sensitivity is everything in a speaker True real sens,, not fake, hyped numbers. If a wide band is not at the very least, a true 91db, I'm not interested. |
Since we are on the subject of multiple drivers,, lets take a look at Wilson, the undisputed King of multipile driver designs. I know why abs like Tekton and Wilson employs multi drivers. Its to try and compensate for the low sens of their midwoofer/tweeter designs. The Seas Thors has dual W18E001's, which I always felt was the best sounding speaker..Add in the super life like voicing of the Millennium, can't be beat... Then I started experiementing with wide bands. After some months experiementing, one day I decided to hook up one Thor on one channel and a wide band on the other. I was blown away. The Thors got both boots and his hat shot off before he even drew his gun. |
phcollie170 posts09-13-2021 12:32pmI am not an engineer and do not fully understand why specifications claimed and those measured vary so widely. Perhaps someone could explain? This from Stereophile... I used DRA Labs' MLSSA system and a calibrated DPA 4006 microphone to measure the Tekton Design Impact Monitor's frequency response in the farfield, and an Earthworks QTC-40 for the nearfield responses. My estimate of the Impact's sensitivity was 87.5dB(B)/2.83V/m, considerably lower than the specified 94dB. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I missed that part of the Sterophile review\ so glad you posted the review dealing with sens. Ever since I alerted the audiophile community last year about how super duper critical was the sensitivity factor,,seems every lab is fugding their numbers,, Seas , I believe changed their sens stat on their Crescendo tweeter to read **92 db sens** when in true listening, my tech says his sens gadget (Not a Mr Carlson's high tech gadbget, still has some capability to detect a good guess))) says its not more than 87/88, I tested it in my system, with a 2.2 cap, and found it is no more than 83, IF THAT.. Midwoofer/tweeter speakers all suffer from this below 90db sens. There is no such speaker from Seas /Scanspeak that breaks 90db. All those specs on Seas and Scanspeak have to be verified = just numbers means absoluetly nothing. The speaker in your room is not more than 90 db. My Thors state 87db sens on their site, , more like 84db(IF THAT!) when heard next to my wide band which are a true bonifide 92db. |
Sound familiar? I least I know they suck because I've heard them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My tech took on a job for one of his clients, north of here,,, renteda cherry picker to get the beasts to his 2nd floor balcony... customer says to tech upon hook up fired up **I don't like them** One must be very careful with Wilson;'s, either you love them or hate them. And yes my Seas Thors , like Scansp[eaks in the Wilson's , claim 87db. Compared to my Wide Bander /rated 92db. its a lie, More like 85db if that. My guess is Wilsons are also 85db or lower. Of course ck Scaspeaks web site , for a hyped/fudged sens spec. Off 2 db is heck of a lot SPL. My line in the sand acceptance rating, is 91/92db true bonifide sens, |
twoleftears4,304 posts09-08-2021 11:57amEvidently, if it's on the internet it must be true. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Most of what I tell my tech, he comes back with this line. I'm starting to rethink things lately. A bit more critical. |
Wow it’s weird how much emotion the mention of Tekton stirs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ AS you guys know,, I’m not into xover box designs..I’m the Wide bander fan-atic addict. Here’s how i see the situaion. Its difficult to determine based on hear-say, if a speaker lives up to the hype or NOT. Might be the real deal,, might be fluff, ,,, The only way to etermine how a Tekton really sounds is to have a high end horn on one channel and Tek’s on the other,,at the turn of the balance dial, it will become obvious if the Tek’s are real winners or Hyped Frauds. No such thing as personal taste. Thats a myth. Either a speaker has neutral high fidelity or it does not. Bass and highs aside, as we all know any speaker has bass and highs. I’ve not heard 1 speaker in my life that can’t make some decent bass and sufficient highs. A tweeter = a tweeter. 30hz-100hz, all sound identical on any speaker Low bass = low bass. I get that. Its the rest of the fq’s I;’m concerned with. When My tech stood at the door way, just trying to exit my listening room so he could go about his busy day,, I saw his look on his face staring at the Thors with new Mundof Caps. I could read his mind FRom that *eh,,* reaction,,i knew I had to go do some more homework. Here is when my journey into Wide Bands began. There are about 10 positive reviews on the Tek’s at Youtube. Hype? can’t say. Put a good horn on one channel and Tek’s on the other,, and lets have a few bonifide seasoned audiophiles make a rating on the 100hz-4khz range. Now we’ll get some bonifide honest opinions on how the Tek’s perform. I’m glad I took a look at the Tek’s, The design gave me another idea that i had brewing in my brain. Adding YET!! another Wber to my WBer8+WBer4. Gonna add a WBer 3. I’ll just follow Tekton’s scheme. More is better. Only if the W3 is up to same mids as the 8+4. Which I assume it is, I’m counting on Tang Band not to let me down on their W3. Hi End Horn vs Tekton. This is the only way we’ll ever get to the truth of Tekton’s performance of the critical 100hz-3khz. It was via this shootout with the Seas Thor/Mundorf vs cheap WBer 6 inch (Diatone, crappy, yet 91db sens is all it had going for it) that I found the Thors laying on the ground all shot up. Its was a bloody mess. Can the Tek’s outshoot the HiFi Horn? Note one of the comments, 3 months ago,, guy says some Tek's designs have a 3 month waiting list.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Yg_EQh_6yY&t=579s |
holmz200 posts10-11-2021 8:00pm My personal preference is to praise to high heaven what I love, and give slight mention if any to what I don't. But do it however you like. Maybe it is just me, but I sort of distrust a reviewer that starts of saying that they intentionally omit ~1/2 of the truth. The speakers have an almost religious following. It would be nice to peek behind the curtain to see if the specs are etched onto tablets, or just recited as lore. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ hahaha Great post, Just wonderfully and quite hilarious, but honest I like that. Well Millercarbon is giving us some ideas to his approach. He has a interesting perspective about this speaker evaluation/ultimate choices to be made. Past decade I use to prasie the Seas Thors as the finest speaker,, In some small ways it is. But after I made that shootout wirth a cheap Diatone wide band,, the Thors now have been reduced to 1/2, as the tweet is gone, midwoofers as assist in my set up. Every single Tekton YT vid has the speakers as some sort of religious Icon, so yeah there is some worshipping at the Tek Altar. Specs? I don't trust specs all that much. Specs give a general idea, although Seas in the Crescendo tweeter, has its all wrong. I pretty much know how /what to look for in a speaker's specs/construct. The only thing thats most important is how does it actually sound. Note the OP, no such reference point. OP rambles on, but gives nothing to base his opinions. The only rer point in determing a speakers performance are hifi horns. Teks on one channel hifi horns on the other.. With this test,, we all might see behind the secret curtain and witness the snakeoil maker at work..... |
I see more blind hatred from people who have never listened to the speakers than religious zeal from the owners...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Not hate, nor are we blind,, We can easily see the speakers for ourseves,, Some of us have been around quite a few designs,, and just by the looks we get at least an idea of how they might sound. I hate all tweeters as for a W+T ,,2 or 3 way xover design. I hate those things when employed ina position to carry midrange. I also only like magnesium cone woofers. magnesium/aluminum Seas W26, maybe OK. The Tek's woofers won;'t work for me,, I don't need to hear them. So thats 2 strikes even before i even listened. The 3rd strike is the price , weight and size. + sens level might be below my 91db acceptable limit. ( Caveat>>although my Seas W18;'s are 87, they play a secondary role, not principle, and about to add a 3rd WBer whith 88db, again, as a assist mode, not principle) Until we get a hifi horn guy to test the Teks against his horns, we are all going on hearsay, Sorry Mr Tekton, if some of my comments might be derailing your gravy train. |
You raise a good point,, something no one else is addressing here. Muttiple tweeters. I 've seen double stacked speakers,, they sound quirte good acutally, but again, all have paper mids, Thats 70's sound to my ears. Looking over the Tekton's yeserday,,gave me another idea.. adding in yet another WBer,,a lil 3 incher. If it works out,,I'll have a 8+4+3. So I'm kinda doing what Tekton is attempting. More = better But the 3 will have to perform,, will have to sing as good/better than the 8+4. If it can't sing, get off the stage. |
They aren’t for you but then why question that other people like them? Or that they can’t be good?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No one, not the OP< nor any reviews are giving us solid bonifide, unbiased, straight shooting , based on real knowledge and experiements, ~proof that the Tek's are high fidelity. As we all learned in Audiophile 101, a hifi horn is the ultimate. any speaker that is placed in the spotlight, upfront/center as is the Tek's,, has to ~~face the music~~, which is... **Bring in the horn shootout. That will settle the issue. Besides as I state, I hate tweeters as a principle singer in my speaker set up. Tweets are only as back up singers. Midwoofers as well,. these things are no good past say, 1400hz,, and besides, paper or plastic cones in midwoofers,, is not my cup of tea. When deciding on a speaker 2 things are of importannce for me. db sens, cone material and then many other factors... lIke weight of each speaker, ] 60 lbs is my limit,,at least the Tekton's are not over-weight like the Wilson's.. WEll I guess one could use a simple dolly to move the Wilson's around. Still , 60 lbs is all I care to handle. Tektons may indeed live up to the hype.. But until we get a hifi horn on one channel,, this speaker will be a mystery and open question. If the Tektons can keep up with a hifu horn, then yeah, The Real Deals. |
Must be a good reason. Not to mention the single driver no crossover high efficiency designers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yes great observation. Seas has 1 tweeter 2 midwoofers in the Thors,, Not 2 tweets and 1 woofer. Troels Gravesen has no design with double/multiple tweeters. Must be a reason as you highlight.. Now as you mention, **single wide band driver** speaker,,, well not sure if you’ve been following my posts around here..I am breaking that old model of a single wide band I have a W8+W4,,and about to add a W3. W8+W4+W3 WideBander. Kinda like a 3 way or sorts. Might even say 4 way if you add in the W18 + paper tweeter. Just following Tektons lead. More = better. Wilson is doing the very same thing,,more = better. I think my 4 way sound better than his 4 way. |
so now we’ve morphed into punctuation police and outcries of being exhausted by too many commas?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ My style of expression always has some critic whereever I go All sites eventually give me the boot, Even the christian forums boot me. I am a philistine if not a heretic I'll admit. ~~~~ oh let me go back in edit,,I have at least 6-7 commas. I'll delete all comas from now on wow , sometimes i have ,, double commas yes appreciate the correction. No more commas |
so many goofy outrageous things
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Someone taged me The Iconoclast over on a classical music forum. I am arch heretic. Most here just ignore me. W8+W4+W3 I'm serious it was the Tekton design that actually gave me the initial idea. Just waiting to pay down audio hobby debt and place the order for the W3. Will post a vid once up N running. late Januraryish |
Yeah, well I know my idea on speakers really belong on a DIY type forum. Just thought I'd share whats been going on in my 2 year laboratory experiements. Again, had I not taken a closer look at the Tekton designs, I might never have come up with adding a W3 on top of the 8 and 4. Might work, might not,, In fact, that reminds me, I have a Dayton #3 stashed somewhere. Think I'll go grab it and hook it up. If success, then I know the TB3 will/might mesh with the W8+W4. I googled multipile wide band designs and came up with nothing. Except one YT vid where this guy bought some TB3's cheap like $8 each and has a array for his HT. Sounds OK for HT but not for my system. That W3 TB model is not what I;'m looking for. My speaker may be the 1st of its kind. |
When I read it that way, it has a cadence, or galloping nature, to it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Exactly. thats my reason for pulging in all sorts of **~~,, and such , for innuendos and emphasis, questionable opinions, possibilities, doubts, affrimations, and perhaps for a bit of humor. btw the Dayton W3 went in And as i figured did not work out. |
And yet, here is what Jason Bourne Identity posted today in another thread. Hilarious! jasonbourne521,134 posts10-12-2021 4:36pmThe truth is that most well-designed and well-built preamps will sound darn close! Want to hear a real change? Try a different transducer - phono cartridge or speakers! Most electronics today are already pretty transparent to the source. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just hilariously funny. But actually I have to agree. AS I've stated numerous times on this board amp=amp A tube amp = a tube amp. The real game changers is the speaker Which is why I take all things speakers dead serious. My tech geek adores Uesugi which have to admit is really super high tech design. But to me a tube linesage = a tube linestage. Yes even his Uesugi. However I did havea used older model Prima Luna Prologue for a few hours before I packed it up and shiped it back to seller. Not sure what that was all about perhaps I did not give it enough test demo, Not sure. All I can say has 6 12AU7's in slots. I love AU's. But for some reason I think not having some 12AX's in there presents a sound I did not care for. Ran that over with my tech geek he disagrees. I don;'t know why it did not perform as i hoped. I'm convinced a linestage needs some AX's amplification factor involved. My Jadis 20+ yr old DPL employs 2 AX's but as per tech suggestion that one slot could go AU if I wanted. And so I swaped the AX for a AU and sure enough made a nice lil gain. IMHO a linestage should have a balance of AX and AU for best bang. Off topic back to Tekton-ICs Midwoofer = midrange + woofer = ain't buying. These things distort over 1800 Tweeter = midrange tweeter. Again best they go go low is maybe 2k. So this 1600hz-say 2200 hz sits in limbo, Not sure if you are aware this is a super critical hz band width for all our music. Which is why i completely abandoned these midwoofers/midtweeters as main principle singers in my speaker system. |
dabel352 posts10-12-2021 6:50pm@mozartfan, only classical?! Okay, I can respect that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WEll this term *Classical music** is such a generalized broad catchall tag which really is only for convience sake. Nothing more. My music starts at Debussy and of course includes Mozart, Wagner, pinch of Vivaldi (Only his minor key concertos, ONLY, so within V's concerto grossos, I skip the major tracks, and only listen to the minor tracks. = 1/2 of the cd... Henze, Schnittke, Pettersson, Carter. Classical composers? Very unlike say Brahms, Dvorak, Mahler. My collection is complete with say 15 composers represented on my shelf, quickly losing interest in Shostakovich and Prokofiev. Time changes us. Replaced with Schnittke, Henze , Carter, Pettersson. 15 composers represented, thats it. I love Szymanowski and do not like Chopin. Thats how my collection goes. I hear superior music in Szymanowski and so *Get* my Chopin in Szy's music. But superior, new style, Chopin I hear as dated material thus a bit boring. So classical fan? Not really, My new speaker designs have me listening to Diana Krall all the way though to the end of the cd. Diana's voice has taken on such charm and magic with my added WBer W4 DavidLouis. WOW factor off the charts. Going for more will add the Tang Band W3 2178 in late Janurary for possible more wow factor. The Dayton W3 did not work in as i figured it would not. The TBW32178 absolutely must be not same but superior to DLVX8+DLW4 if its going to work in. And I looked at the specs/db sens hz chart looks just wonderful . hanging very close to 90db and w/o any major dips , peaks , valleys. Its 4x's the price of the other TBW3 but a superior speaker. This is how i designed my Wide Bander Trial and error. Tektons look like they've been working with the same ideas i have = more can be better. |
jasonbourne521,137 posts10-12-2021 6:59pmA speaker is just a box with some drivers and a crossover. That manufacturers can make and sell them for the price of a luxury car is ... rather appalling, eh! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Its long been common knowledge among seasoned audiophiles especially the DIY campers that speakers are grossly overpriced. No news there. I just read that opinion on a DIY board some weeks ago. This idea hit home after I made up my speaker system. I had no choice. The Seas Thors upgrades cost me a bundle and did not transform the speakers into Super-Thors. Tried to go 3 way with a Seas high tech DEDICTAED midrange. Tech said *you gotta be joking* Thats all he said. it was at that very moment I dumped xover speakers and put my full 100% attention into these *odd strange unusual* WBers. |
thyname1,397 posts10-13-2021 5:50amHi @mozartfan. I think you missed my point. It was hilarious as he posted two different things on speakers in the same day. Above on this thread (speakers are just some boxes with drivers and crossovers) and the one I quoted on another thread ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OK got it. Well glad we have another jokester on board, Keeps things light and adds humor into this discussion this way keeps things not serious. I like the way Jason expresses his ideas Straightshooter kind of a snakeoil buster type audiophile. Thats kind of how i see xover style speaker. Boxes with speakers and xovers. To me they all have their very own house sound and so I lump them all into one big pile. Xover styles do not at all sound like big hifi horns. Thats a fact. My speaker project was all about trying to get as close as possible to a big hifi horn system Adding in the DLW4 the other day brought this system a little bit closer to the horn system soundstage. I know it was a success as Diana Krall's CD When I look Into Your Eyes turned up the magic. Diana never sounded so good. So yeah, Jason is a big voice here. Guy knows his stuff. Tektons might very well be *the real deal* = horn like. But we will never know for sure until we get a horn geek to give them a listen. Horn geeks don't listen to xover box styles so we will never know this answer. All speakers are judged against a hifi horn system. |
tsushima1404 posts10-13-2021 8:30am“ I realize you measurement folks don’t care about the sound, but what about “measurements”? Your next reply: if there is any measured difference, it’s small, and beyond auditory level of any human. Why even bother “ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ok ok stay on topic. Note I do rant 90% on my project, but always, always come back to the Tektons We can't talk about Tek's completely separated from speaker designs in general. duhh No speaker stands alone on a island all by itself exception the big hifi horns which are the Holy Grail. Measurements? sens db and db/hz chart, magnet type, weight., cone material. these are the only specs I consider. I now starting to understand the db/hz chart. Too many peaks and valleys = not good. Can't say more as i am now censored to stay only on Tekton as main topic. But what are Tektons db/hz chart? Sens db level? magnet structure/cone material All these things have to be brought in to the discussion,. But again, specs will not say how a speaker will actually sound. We are talking miniscule sound difs in speaker X and speaker Y. But a nuance is a nuance and only 1 can win. How is the Tektons midrange. This is what we all want to know. Maybe the OP talks of the Teks mids. I don't know |
OK back in less than 20 seconds Went to Tekton WE need Mr Tekton to upgrade his info/spec page to include the above things we’d all like to know more about. We needa dbhz chart. Lets have a look. Its not there, perhaps later today Mr Tekton will provide us with this chart. Note the opening page to his site **Its all about the sound** 100% agreement. But we’d also like to ck a few specs. Hopefully we will get this chart posted today. In the meantime all we can do is just shoot the bull about Tektons. https://tektondesign.com/product/full-range-speakers/flagship/moab/#color |
What is your experience with Tekton, other than none at all?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ True I try to explain above WE have to look at the Tektons inner structure. magnet weight/type/cone material. db/hz chart. A speaker that has too many peaks and valleys in that chart will have soem fidelity issues. I finally figured out how to translate this chart as of 1 day ago. Comparing 2 dif WBers a W3 and a W4. The W4 has fidelity and the chart shows it is well behaved. The W3 is good but no cigar. And the chart shows it has issues with peaks and valleys. So there might be something to these db/hz charts after all. The W4 is $175/pair The W3 $60 pair. Get what you pay for. Lets take a look at the db'/hz chart for the Tektons. |
Just got off main computer and went to listening room , just made a last ck on my IP see if any other comments. a pop up was at bottom page of Iphone,, this comment may have some value,,I only read the 1st few lines. Really not interested in reading the rest nor the entire discussion. But I think this geek has some valid authority as his ears have to be very sensitive and attuned to proper voicing. https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62843-very-disappointed-with-tekton-double-impacts/#comment... |
Another pop up site on my IP is also of some interest in the Tektons. read Kvn Walkers Dec3,2018 post. about 7 posts from top He has some valid imput on things I was just now pointing out. Specs sure don't tell much of how a speaker will sound, according to one DIYer comments just came across the other day..., but sure helps to see something on paper. Note his hunch *possibly inflated*. Seas with their Crescendo tweeter, has the db sens wayyy over inflated. https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/looking-at-tekton-double-impacts-se-anybody-have-any-e... He also mentions audiogon as a place for Tekton discussion/reviews..**if you are willing to tread the waters over at Audiogon**, Not sure what his implication is. I find Audiogon a most wonderful chat forum for open fair and comradiere discussion of all things audio. Maybe a snide or 2 here N there. Nothing offensive though. |
Just read through the OP on audioholics. Guy demands top priority 20hz bass. Then Tektons are HIS speaker. Thing is, he gets the whole package. For me, not the least bit interested in 20-40 hz range. So yeah if the guy wants deep bass the Teks are his speaker.With dual 10's, he'll have it. WE all have different wants/needs/demands Listening rm is small 10x12 with very near field listening, so Tektons in my case is not a good choice. We should always keep rm size and field distaance listening SPL preferences in mind when discussing speaker choices. |
Hold on. Just did a lil research into the Tek’s DI’s. OK, so center tweet is the T and the surrounding 6 are like a Midrange horn. Got it. I actually like this idea alot. Midrange froma single tweet or the mids from a single midwoofer , ain’t gonna cut it. And Tek is using triple ring radiator tweeters which sounds interesti9ng,. + you can upgrade the 6 midrange tweeters. All in all, I’d say its a winner on the tweeter side. Now as for dual mid woffers 10 inch.. I think Eric should have gone dual Seas W22’s. Now we are talking but the price on the Excel W22’s ain’t cheap. had Eric employed dual W22’s, he’d have something that would blow away the Wilson’s. Or maybe a Seas W26 Excel + W22 Excel. If you want the best gotta use the best. So yeah I like Eric’s ideas here with 6 tweeters acting as a horn midrange ..EDIT 20 minutes later... No wait, Tweets don't do well below say 2200, and Erics 2 midwoofers don't go well above 1800hz. back to square 1. Horn's rule, What we are after is a horn sound as close as psooible. Tek's are not going to deliver the goods. Its the 1800-2200hz band that will get these things into trouble. Sorry, I ain't buying in. |
OK aploogies to the board fora bit of back tracking my opinions, Just cking a old horn topic,,got it,, horns in fact have some issues. Got that. Apologies. But I can confidently say Tek's xover at 1800-2200hz most likely will have issues. Also I am not fond of paper cone woofers and midwoofers. So thats 2 strikes against even before I hear them. https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/why-not-horns?highlight=horns Which makes my WBer the ultimate. |
mozartfan, Your recent kick has been for wide band speakers, and now today, "horns rule". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No I always said, or if i did not, let me correct my past comment, Horns are the Gold standard, At least the hifi big $$$$$ horns, which i have zero interest in. No one would argue that horns are the highest fidelity. If you don't know horns are the ultimate , you need to back to Audio 101. But there are so many issues with horns, cost being the 1st. My WBers are the next best bang. xover types like the Tektons, just can't approach a horn. |
Your recent kick has been for wide band speakers, and now today, "horns rule"
Yes I did flipflop That was because one of the last things I recall from the horn topic was *nothing like a horn's midrange**, That stuck with me. But after reviewing that topic, Now I see there are horn-detractors. **Toot-toot*. Not for me. I try to put all the cards on the table. I follow no crowd. Following the crowd might not lead to the best speaker for my needs. So I stand alone. There are only a few, maybe 1% of audiogonners who employ WBers. I have no idea why folks are not at least willing to try a new high tech wide band. |
There is rhyme and reason to my bringing up horns and WBers, If you folks would take the TIME to read the Tekton page, you may figure out as to the WHYs I brought up horns/wide bands. Tekton states *we employ 6 tri ring radiator tweeters as a pseudo horn presentation* So what Tekton is attempting to do is have the middle tweeter as pure higher end tweeter and the 6 surrounding tweeters all act in unison asa horn. Guess you guys missed that. So it the Tekton design is attempting to mimick a horn's midrange, then it only makes sense if we bring in horns and wide bands into the discussion. No speaker can stand alone w/o reference to other speakers. How else are you going to know if your speaker really does sound great, or not so great. Most here have yet to even listen to a high end WBer. |
hating begin.
Some of us here do not hate the Tektons. What we want to do is tone down the hype. With all those Woofers, sure you are going to get slam bass Chech winner. All those tweeters, again winner. Its the other mid fq's that we all have doubts about and this is why we throw a ice bucket on the hype. |
I'll write up something in the next day or two, need some time with them but quite impressed so far.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey audiogon is well know as the best audio disc board. So free speech reigns. Glad you posted as you did. But as you have shared your honesty, so allow me to share mine, with all due respect. Sorry I ain't buying into your **need a few days...so far so good,,,IMPRESSED...* It only takes me less than 1 hour, IF THAT, to figure a speaker. Let me give you a few tips on how to judge a speaker in less than 1 hour IF THAT. 1st bring your fav test cds. I have about 4 or 5 that i know very well how they sound on my reference speakers. 2nd Block out lowest bass and all highs. You only want to know whats going on in the critical midrange, say 300hz-3khz. Here is where the music exists. A few days,,, quite impressed so far..... Free speech, but sorry I don't buy into snakeoil. |
However I am not one of them, and I sort of “believe in” the 20-20k Hz range as being valid.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Just listening to Mahvishnu Orchestra Live Central part 1973 Well sure, that legendary recording needs, demands 20hz (Billy Cobham drum sets) through the 20k hz, Jan Hammer's keys. Agree, on some music 20hz-40hz and 12khz-20khz would make fora very nice LIVE presentation soundstage, We agree. But in my Classical music, there ain't much below 60hz and in fact most classical instruments fall in the 60hz-say,,,4khz. The dual WBers have delivered the Concert with stunning success, all due to the rich, detailed dual WBers. It is almost like being there in Central park. I'll upload this track maybe later tonight so you can hear it. A tweeter midbass ain't going to deliver what the dual WBers are bringing to the room. You guys just refuse to hear what i am saying, defending tweeters with your life. 20hz? what as in sub woofer. Never in my life would I ever sticka sub in my system. boomboomboom yuck. |
Boom boom is better than the rattle rattle of loose driver baskets mozartfan. How can you know the quality of sound in any driver when the enclosure is complete garbage, and the driver isn't even properly affixed to the baffle?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've been a cursory ( sloppy, no attention to details, haphazard, lucky-as-i-go, almost ) type fellow all my life. why change now, 1 cabinet is 28.5 inches H the other 30 inches H Gaps all over, Yes all drivers have either 1 or 2 screws only The W6 will get plug into the W8 cabinet, a bit tight ,, but hey as long as there are no R& R drun solos, it should be OK. To compensate for the jam, I;'ll cut another port at top. Double ported cabinet. Why not? Is there any law against double ports? And remember WBers do not have much bass punch, as they say *WBers are weak in low bass...** blah. If my hunch is right, the lil W6 is going to out-bass the W8. I always thought , bigger the cone, more the bass. Fact is, bigger/type (Neo #1) the magnet MOTOR, the more bass. From my 2 hour+ long study of the pics, seems to me the W6 has only a slightly smaller magnet vs the W8 + listing says *Neo* which I doubt, as it looks same as the W8 magnet, which l looks to be Ferrite. I will try right now to get the truth about each magnet. He takes 3 days to respond to emails. If the bass is overload and the cabinet starts to fall apart, I know gotta build a separate cabinet. Thsi ain't rocket science ya know The W8 would sound just as good in a cardboard box, provided no fq;'s below say 300hz. I can't stand OB, what a waste of musical energy. |
All new speakers are the same..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Not true. Sonus Faber boasts a new Scanspeak Neo Dymium Midwoofer, but has a carbon fiber cone. Love Neo in magnet designs. And only like the sound of a magnesium cone. Carbon Fiber = more deeper bass kick, Magnesium = more dampened upper bass/low mids. Take your pick. Tektons look like some sort of paper treated. I grew up with paper I want to be as far away from paper sound as I can get. |
My tech geek claims a good heavy ferrite = same magnet power as a NeoDymium. That is to say, Neodymium vs ferrite 1 to 1 ratio, can not tell the difference in sound quality. hummm, not so sure, Nd's are much more powerful, a 2x's heavy ferrite = same power as Nd magnet motor. Yet given a choice I'd pay more for a equal power Nd magnet motor. I think a Nd makes for a cleaner ,, tighter more linear, controled, better behaved speaker. And yes I;d be willing to do a blind test. I wouldn't tell him my opinion as he is adamant in this *doctrine* he holds. Nd magnets are very expensive now is why you see so few being used in a design. |
