My Audio Research experience


To all you goners out there, here is my experience with Audio Research.

Approximately four years ago I purchased an AR Reference 75 power amp.  It was on special at the time and I bought if from a dealer in Brisbane, Australia.

I used the amp for the rear channels of my home theatre system which I only use occasionally because I travel a lot for work and I mainly listen to music.

One night I switched the amp on and a white flash and burning smell came from the amplifier and it didn’t power up.  I thought it may have been a tube, and because I had no spares, I reported the problem to my Brisbane dealer and via email to Audio Research.  A copy of the reply sent from AR on the 5th March 2016 follows:

'Thank you for choosing Audio Research and the REF75. I suspect you had an internal tube arc. The internal tube short can also take out a plate or screen resistor. So just replacing the tube will not fix this problem. The resistors also need to be replaced. You can confirm this by checking the bias for this tube. If the bias reads zero, a resistor is open.  This is an easy repair that our distributor in Australia can do.

The SE update for the REF75 comes with a complete new set of tubes including a new set of KT150s.  This is the only way it is sold. If you so choose, Our Australian distributor can also install this SE upgrade for you while the amp is in for repair.'

I then proceeded to order some more tubes to see if a replacement tube would fix the problem.

I ordered the following tubes:

2 x Electro-Harmonix 6H30Pi Gold with Matched Triodes (Balanced)

4 x KT150 Power Vacuum Tube - [Matching (10+ tubes)]

4 x KT120 Power Vacuum Tubes - [Matching (10+ tubes)]

When they arrived, I tried the new tubes but they didn’t fix the problem as the amplifier failed to switch on.  I then contacted my dealer and freighted the amplifier to Brisbane for repair.  This was done in June of last year.  I included all of the above tubes in the package in case they were needed.  I also would have liked the amp to be upgraded to SE status using the tubes supplied if possible.

In September/October last year I enquired about the status of the repair and before Christmas enquired again. After again emailing AR, I was contacted by the Australian Distributor who told me that the service agent in Brisbane had been trying to get parts for the wrong amplifier and that the amplifier would be transported to Melbourne for repair.  I asked them to get me a price for the upgrade using my tubes.

In January/February of this year, I was contacted by the Australian Distributor and had to supply proof of purchase because there was a dispute over whether the amplifier was in fact under warranty when the fault occurred.  I again asked about getting the upgrade using the supplied tubes which were still with the repair agent in Brisbane.  Eventually I was told that I could have the upgrade using AR tubes only, for the heavily discounted price of $3,000 Australian.  Nothing like gouging your customers!!!!!!  Especially when I could have bought a small car for the original cost of the amplifier in Australia.

I chose to just get the original amplifier repaired under warranty which I was told needed a new main circuit board.  This week my amplifier finally arrived back home after nearly 12 months away for a repair under warranty.  The original tubes have been put in a box with ‘Faulty Old Tubes,’ written on the box.  The tubes I sent with the amplifier have not been returned, and no replacement tubes have been included.

I am amazed that the initial fault destroyed six tubes, so I have asked how the Distributor tested the tubes to determine that they were faulty.  I am now left with an amplifier that doesn’t work and 10 expensive vacuum tubes missing somewhere in Australia.  I am also left with a conundrum, if when I finally get my tubes back and use them to ensure the amplifier works, what happens if it doesn’t.  Will AR then blame me for any fault that occurs on power up because I haven’t purchased tubes from them at their heavily marked up prices????

For me I will never touch another Audio Research product for as long as I reside on this planet.  I will be telling all my audiophile friends and putting this report on every forum that will publish it.  Best of luck for the future Audio Research and may you drown in your policy mess!!!

thazeldean

Showing 5 responses by triode12

I have read the OPs initial post again and I think he may perhaps have misunderstood what the $3000 cost was for. I believe that the $3000 cost was not just for the new KT150 tubes but also for the new SE upgrade mainboard. Which would be inline with the cost I paid to upgrade my 250s to 250SEs.

When I purchased my ARC250s monos last year from a dealer in Sydney, they were like new Demos which I paid $9000 each (yes, we do get ripped off down under) to upgrade them to 250SEs.  This cost not only included 2 new main boards but two new sets of KT150 tubes plus freight to and from Melbourne. No OPT replacements were required. 

Also, if the dealer had sat on the repair for months and not returned his new tubes, he shouldn't blame the distributor or ARC. It appears that the blame lands squarely on the Brisbane dealer. I would be relating the whole debacle to ARC and Synergy Audio(ARC's Aussie distributor) via email. 

Having said that, the quality of ARC gear hasn't been great for a while now. My tech and friend used to be the Authorised ARC tech for Australia when Audio Connection in Sydney was the ARC distributor. He has repaired a lot ARC gear for at least 10 years, He has been in the Hifi game for over 40 years (at one point owing a hifi store in the 70s) and has seen it all. He was able to rebuild two D125s from just their OPTs and Power Transformers (which were found at the dump) i.e. he is a very skilled technician.

The Ref 600s and VT100 Mk1 & 2 amps were known to be very problematic, they were constantly blowing up due to condensation forming on the vertically mounted PCBs and limited airflow due to the design of the casing (that is why the later 610s and 750s now have top mounted tubes and the VT100Mk3 employed fans). There have been also quality issues with OPTs and Power Transformers in the past 10 years. His workshop is filled with dead ARC OPTs and power transformers.

In spite of all these issues, he still advocates buying ARC gear and he feels that not only do they sound very good, they are very well built and their support is very good. He didn't have any issues with ARC supplying him with schematics and parts when he was working for the old distributor. Some High End companies will not even supply schematics and expect him to debug the problem by relaying the issue to them over the phone (incurring long distance charges) - basically expecting him to be being their (remote) hands and eyes. 



" ARC have been good since I have updated them on the situation but the Australian Distributor is trying to pass the blame back to them advising me that the person at ARC who replied to my original email no longer works there so there was unavoidable discontinuity by ARC. "

I am not siding with Synergy Audio but they weren’t not lying or making up an excuse as Kalvin Dahl, the customer service lead at ARC left in Oct of last year. He quit because he didn’t like their new system for logging customer issues.

http://www.audioaficionado.org/showthread.php?t=38183

Having said that, there should be no excuse for Synergy keeping your amp since November for repair. It should have been turned around within a month or so.

Also there should be no issue using tubes not purchased from ARC, they should work fine as long as they have been tested and matched properly.
So just to be clear -  you now have a working amp (with the SE upgrade?) and the dealer has returned you the "non ARC" tubes you purchased?


Thazeldean, 
With all repairs for ARC in Australia, there is one authorised service tech in Australia that does the repair. Your dealer should have sent it back to Synergy at his or Synergy's expense. He seems to be the cause of this whole debacle by trying perform the repair on his own. It may be possible that the tech he employed to fix your amp may have caused the fluid spill and put the blame on you. The repair should have been an easy job consisting of a few resistors if the problem was actually failed tube. Moisture from condensation would not have been the cause of the issue unless the amp was sitting under an leaking aircon blower. The Ref 75 has horizontally a mounted main board and is not prone to condensation issues.
Knghifi - where does it state that the amp is used? I can't find it in the thread.