My Audio Research experience


To all you goners out there, here is my experience with Audio Research.

Approximately four years ago I purchased an AR Reference 75 power amp.  It was on special at the time and I bought if from a dealer in Brisbane, Australia.

I used the amp for the rear channels of my home theatre system which I only use occasionally because I travel a lot for work and I mainly listen to music.

One night I switched the amp on and a white flash and burning smell came from the amplifier and it didn’t power up.  I thought it may have been a tube, and because I had no spares, I reported the problem to my Brisbane dealer and via email to Audio Research.  A copy of the reply sent from AR on the 5th March 2016 follows:

'Thank you for choosing Audio Research and the REF75. I suspect you had an internal tube arc. The internal tube short can also take out a plate or screen resistor. So just replacing the tube will not fix this problem. The resistors also need to be replaced. You can confirm this by checking the bias for this tube. If the bias reads zero, a resistor is open.  This is an easy repair that our distributor in Australia can do.

The SE update for the REF75 comes with a complete new set of tubes including a new set of KT150s.  This is the only way it is sold. If you so choose, Our Australian distributor can also install this SE upgrade for you while the amp is in for repair.'

I then proceeded to order some more tubes to see if a replacement tube would fix the problem.

I ordered the following tubes:

2 x Electro-Harmonix 6H30Pi Gold with Matched Triodes (Balanced)

4 x KT150 Power Vacuum Tube - [Matching (10+ tubes)]

4 x KT120 Power Vacuum Tubes - [Matching (10+ tubes)]

When they arrived, I tried the new tubes but they didn’t fix the problem as the amplifier failed to switch on.  I then contacted my dealer and freighted the amplifier to Brisbane for repair.  This was done in June of last year.  I included all of the above tubes in the package in case they were needed.  I also would have liked the amp to be upgraded to SE status using the tubes supplied if possible.

In September/October last year I enquired about the status of the repair and before Christmas enquired again. After again emailing AR, I was contacted by the Australian Distributor who told me that the service agent in Brisbane had been trying to get parts for the wrong amplifier and that the amplifier would be transported to Melbourne for repair.  I asked them to get me a price for the upgrade using my tubes.

In January/February of this year, I was contacted by the Australian Distributor and had to supply proof of purchase because there was a dispute over whether the amplifier was in fact under warranty when the fault occurred.  I again asked about getting the upgrade using the supplied tubes which were still with the repair agent in Brisbane.  Eventually I was told that I could have the upgrade using AR tubes only, for the heavily discounted price of $3,000 Australian.  Nothing like gouging your customers!!!!!!  Especially when I could have bought a small car for the original cost of the amplifier in Australia.

I chose to just get the original amplifier repaired under warranty which I was told needed a new main circuit board.  This week my amplifier finally arrived back home after nearly 12 months away for a repair under warranty.  The original tubes have been put in a box with ‘Faulty Old Tubes,’ written on the box.  The tubes I sent with the amplifier have not been returned, and no replacement tubes have been included.

I am amazed that the initial fault destroyed six tubes, so I have asked how the Distributor tested the tubes to determine that they were faulty.  I am now left with an amplifier that doesn’t work and 10 expensive vacuum tubes missing somewhere in Australia.  I am also left with a conundrum, if when I finally get my tubes back and use them to ensure the amplifier works, what happens if it doesn’t.  Will AR then blame me for any fault that occurs on power up because I haven’t purchased tubes from them at their heavily marked up prices????

For me I will never touch another Audio Research product for as long as I reside on this planet.  I will be telling all my audiophile friends and putting this report on every forum that will publish it.  Best of luck for the future Audio Research and may you drown in your policy mess!!!

thazeldean

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knghifi, why would you think it is unreasonable to replace tubes to make sure that it is just not a blown tube before sending an amp out for repair?   I would try a new tube and check the fuses if the ARC has replaceable ones.  His amp was gone for a year and his expensive tubes were not returned to him. 
thazeldean, you just lost all creditability.  Now I think ARC, the dealer, or whoever probably kept your tubes because your a whiner.
Not having owned ARC products so skin in the game, besides the glowing recommendations, it seems from reading Agon that ARC is a bit on the higher side of average in terms of needing repairs. 
jmcgrogan2, your experience certainly trumps my conjecture. I vaguely  remember reading a few post where people mentioned that when their ARC blew a tube they sometimes take out resistors.  Maybe the fuse doesn't blow first? This may have been just with a particular year/model.  Or bad memory.

knghifi, this thread is irrelevant to you.  But to someone that may have thought of buying a new ARC amp, the fact that the company is so rigid that you have to buy tubes from them for a warranty repair is a non starter.  Especially since it is well documented their tubes sell at rip off prices.  I know, you get what you pay for, yada yada.
You are correct knghifi, I have had no contact with them.  So if you are saying they are ok I do listen to the voice of experience.  Again, I don't know about other companies policies, but to me having to buy tubes from them to retain your warranty it just seems unreasonable. 

Sorry thazeldean, you will see I supported you in multiple posts above, but this whine lost your credibility with me: 

"Grogan, you really fit the name!!!   ..."

I have read jm's post for years, sometimes disagree, sometimes agree, but never come away feeling the need to make a rude comment.

kalali,

Did you not agree with bdp24's post above?  It's not the maintenance cost that is the problem, its the design philosophy of not fusing the output tubes.  Even though you will you pay ARC twice as much for the same tubes you could buy for less elsewhere, eventually one of those tubes is bound to go bad and your sending the amp back to ARC.  This versus just changing a fuse.  ARC knows their amps blow resistors. 

There are a lot of other brands equal to the Ferrari 458 amp that are designed to not suffer this problem. 

minorl,

No one is really talking about getting into the nuts and bolts of circuit design, just the most basic discussion that unwary buyers may want a heads up that there may be an increased chance of expensive repairs required down the line versus some other brands of tube amps due to the ARC lack of fuses.  Some may care, others may just fit into the overall cost of ownership as you have.

In summary, if you throw enough money at it at ARC, almost anything can be accomplished.

You are correct axeis about the real issue but incorrect as it has been mentioned several times above.
In my experience people don’t just start bashing a company for no reason.  To be clear, I am no fan of the op here.
Everyone knew what he meant without you pointing out that he phrased his sentence incorrectly.
There is a little irony in all of this.  You are talking about fairly expensive tube amps and their longevity.  There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of Dynaco ST70s out there that are 50 or 60 years old that have had nothing or only a couple of components replaced and are still  going strong.  
tomcy6, please speak for yourself.  Other than Ralph and a few others who I really enjoy reading their posts, dealers (especially) & manufacturers tend to start emphasizing advertising over informative content.  This is not to say fmalitz was one of these, or that clearthink was right to get so hot under the collar as to sound like he had an agenda.   To be honest, when the back and forth get so voluminous I quit reading it.  Volume does not in and of itself create interesting content.