Musings from old school on High Fidelity


Old interview in Stereophile of JA interviewing G Holt.

Do you see any signs of future vitality in high-end audio?

Vitality? Don't make me laugh. Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by its own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I am associated by so many people with the mess my disciples made of spreading my gospel. For the record: I never, ever claimed that measurements don't matter. What I said (and very often, at that) was, they don't always tell the whole story. Not quite the same thing.

Remember those loudspeaker shoot-outs we used to have during our annual writer gatherings in Santa Fe? The frequent occasions when various reviewers would repeatedly choose the same loudspeaker as their favorite (or least-favorite) model? That was all the proof needed that [blind] testing does work, aside from the fact that it's (still) the only honest kind. It also suggested that simple ear training, with DBT confirmation, could have built the kind of listening confidence among talented reviewers that might have made a world of difference in the outcome of high-end audio.

Yet you achieved so much, Gordon.

I know I did, and my whole excuse for it—a love for the sound of live classical music—lost its relevance in the US within 10 years. I was done in by time, history, and the most spoiled, destructive generation of irresponsible brats the world has ever seen. (I refer, of course, to the Boomers.)

High Fidelity means REPRODUCTION with as little distorion and color as possible and a flat neutral FR within the range of human hearing that retains as much of the original source as possible. This day and age we have the ability to come close but we have chosen the path where High Fidelity means whatever subjective opinion I choose. It might be what one prefers but it isn't HiFi.
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A great reminder that there are three sides to most debates.....one side, the other side, and somewhere in between resides the truth.


Then,,,I guess you take issues with most of my post above 
I think this hooby is not all biased opinions,,,forensics is involved, a  good hunch,,a  fair listening, ,,where luck has no place.
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High fidelity ain;'t gonna drop out the sky in ones setup. 
It might be what one prefers but it isn't HiFi.


I consider components based on
1) my exp
2) components reputation ie reviews, blogs , dis boards etc
3) actual pics of the guts, w/oa  pic of the guts I would not consider buying as per Kevin Deals' advice over at Upscale Audio.
4) price consideations, what can i afford in paypal debt 
Then to get units up to high fidelity, one must take out low quality parts and add in new high tech stuff, new caps, new resistors, 
Then other monir tweeks, new DIY power cords, new high tech IC's. super tubes = ie Telefunkens, Svetalan 6550s..
all these wteeks add up to going higher up Mt Everest basecamps. 
Have I attained, or ever will attain reaching the pinnacle of Mt Everest? 
What i am hearing in my modded setup, I can see glimpses of the pinnacle breaking through the clouds.. and its just awesome,,been waiting some 50 years to reach this basecamp. 
old audiophile from mid 70's here.
High Fidelity is no myth, no biased opinion, 
Some components are inherently high fidelity potential, while others, even with extensive mods,,will never get you up the mountain to glimpse the summit. 
I have another 2 years, and another ohhh $5K, I should be at a  nice basecamp where I can grasp the summit.
High Fidelity is no myth, 
Although elusive, it does exist outside of opinionated bias....,  The Real Deal is for real.

watch the snakeoil offerings along the way up,,
Jadis DPL, like the 1st preamp Jadis ever designed,,just arrived its ancient, simple,, but plays,,, honestly the jadis clone LS9 pre.modded with M  silver caps,,was just fine, but had to see if i could go higher for $1350,,, put my system at a  slightly high base  camp, Then new caps, like 16, should get my system een higher up Everest. ,,,why do we  have this desire to go higher and higher,,what drives us, to reach ever new heights,,when we know our sound is just fine the way it is,,, trying something new, modding what we have,,, we have that urge to go for it, ,,,add new debt to our paypal...At times out choices went sour,, we made some slips on rocky cliffs, but we  hold on,,and look for another route. ,,,maybe we should follow paths laid out by those who are experienced,,and tahts why we post here,,,to question our choices, thereby not making simuliar mistakes other mountaineers made.
Til at last, in our old age, when our hearing is at a loss, we have acheived The Goal,,and hopefully not too late in life where we can sit back and enjoy what we constructed,,w/o any thoughts of tweeking and modifying. 
 at times i find more attention goes into how my system sounds than actually listening to the music for music's sake.  

Not bragging, and honestly, no i have not heard many top class systems lately,,but recall some from years ago,,and IMHO , my system now with new IC's, is  close to Real High Fidelity. 
My friend has a Golden Tube amp modded (he is a tech) + AR's + CJ pre modded, sounds really great,, IF you like that warm  sound,,, sort likea  olive band at a  club. Thats not what i am looking  for, I avoid *warm*, Mine is quiet, dynamic, fq separation/sound stage, voice pure natural, 
When I hear a  system which has these descripts
 Midrange fqs::Muddy/murky/smokey/greyish, musht, bland, flat
/highs rolloff, voice not natural, like has a   covering over the vocals, other things that get on my nerves are ::: ,boomy bass,, highs too extended = plastic and tinny. 
I  usually just stand there and pretend I am interested,, makinga  few foot tappings to let the owner know , yeah its a nice sound...when actually i want to turn the vol knob alot lower, real fast,,,or finda  excuse to get away from the torture. 
Here is my latest YT upload, and my system is really comming together now with the 2nd pair of IC's. 
Humbly, my system to me sounds ~~High Fidelity~~More changes/mods to come,,,,
This is the best sound I've ever heard in my life comming froma  system. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1gtIouVb6E&t=6s