Music for setting up speakers

pink noise and a mic

cant believe audiphile who spends thousands on their system, havent understood or been explained clearly that the way to setup a speaker in a room is with a mic and careful measuring.

" While one can use test instruments, to measure and balance SPLs and correct frequency response aberrations; they can’t replace the human ear, when it comes to ambience recovery and voice placement (whether instrument or vocal). What, exactly, would you measure, pray tell?
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using a mic is all one need.
ambience recovery and voice placement, if one have a treated room and use early reflection panels, wont be affected by micro speaker placement.
if one have not a treated room, using music to try to find the best placement is totally useless and unreliable. acoustics are a understood science. I dont get how audiophile miss this completely and rely on some sort of voodoo: no room treatment, no proper speaker positioning nor finding the best listening position again using a mic.

No professional would ever work this way, yet a big majority of audiophile have no clue to the damage their room imparts, and rely on audiophile myths (such as put plants in the corner, a thick rug and sofa’s and your room will sound just fine, or use music to find the best speaker placement)

" AGAIN: what, exactly, are you measuring; to obtain information, regarding ambience recovery (recorded sound space width, depth and height) and accurate voice placement (whether instrument or vocal)?

What are you using for a source, to produce the signal you’re capturing/measuring, with your mic?"

Yes, Arta software with a cheap measuring mic. Arta have pink/white noise.

Ambience recovery, voice placement and proper soundstage quality is totally related to the speaker-boundaries relationship. ETC measuremets are what is traditionnaly used to understand ETC (rather the rate of decay at different FREQ)

a good room is a room that offer even decay at all frequencies. that can only be acheived (if you want more then a vice-in-head listening position) with treating the early reflections. once the early reflections are treated, moving the right speaker 30 cm here or 30 cm there will not affect ambience, soundstage, ect.

you have to understand that the method proposed by many here, which is to listen to music and place your speakers, can be valid for people who cannot or wont treat their rooms.

" So many keystrokes and still no explanation, as to how your microphone, with your mentioned Pink and White Noise, detects/measures accurate sound staging and image placement."
place the mic at the listening poisition.
download arta
use pink noise in arta
measure your room.

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Sabine reflections can/will be measured in any room (treated or not), with the right equipment (which VERY view audio buffs will possess), but- still reveal nothing, regarding imaging or sound stage info recovery.     They can only help one ASSUME: everything is groovy!"
what?

    

" *ONLY one’s ears can detect that and there are way too many variables. "
you dont understand my posts. i dont necessarly disagree with you,

"there’s no way Pink Noise and a mic can predict the reproduction of an accurate sound stage and image placement*"
accurate soundstage and image placement is directly related to early reflections. Almost unvariably, everyone that treat his early reflections will mention how the soundstage open up.

when you treat those early reflections, moving the speaker 10 cm this way or 10cm will not shift the image like a untreated space do.

therefore, the premise that using music to find the best speaker position for soundstage and pin point imaging is flawed. Treating the early reflection is the solution. if you cant treat your space, sure using music to try to find the best speaker position works great. I used to do this myself, until I treated my space