Nothing in music that isn't in a 32 test tone that sweeps all frequencies audible to humans. There is nothing that humans hear that can't be measured. Time to get out of the dark ages. Proclaiming you trust your ears forgetting your eyes moves nothing forward. I've been reading papers on the evolution of British monitors and even in the 1950's they accepted basic human bias and knew they needed to use blind listening tests. Jesus people. |
If only the norm was education. Sounds good. Let's take the DAC in question MSB, how is it better than other DACs regardless of price? Is there technology used no other manufacturer uses? If so, how does it perform what does it do? Is there a link showing measurements so one can at least begin to get an impartial idea on its performance? Has it been subjected to controlled listening tests? Anything objective where noone has any skin in the game? Pontificating subjective opinions back and forth on the sonic ability is hardly education. I would be more than happy to get an education about this DAC. I'm not interested in how it sounds in your room we don't learn anything about the component but your impression of it. I think you're wrong in your assessment, audiogon is loosing contributors because they aren't interested in education.. |
I don't know about being the best perhaps one of the most expensive. |
My question is why are you addressing me. My comments are to the OP. You can pound dirt. |
I cant imagine there would be any major advantage to adding a high end DAC in the system but would be interested to hear others thoughts. Kii is correct there would be no reason to add any DAC the preferred method of input is digital unless you’re connecting phono. If sending an analog signal from a DAC the ADC in the Kii is convertig the analog signal back to digital running it through it’s DSP and using it’s DAC to convert back. No matter what DAC you use in front of the Kii it would sound the same since it’s the Kii DAC that does the final conversion. |
There are well designed American made DACs which are a fraction of the cost of an MSB. There is not really a lot of difference in DACs other than engineers chasing better inaudible numbers. MSB makes very well engineered DACs and it cost a lot to produce them. I admire the complexity of these discrete DACs and the engineering that goes into them. If someone can afford them go for it but realize you're buying a boutique item not necessarily a better one. |
Actually I have no idea what DAC I'm using they have become that irrelevant. |
HiFi news compared some high priced DACs. Chord Dave was top, then Mola Mola , various dCS then last MSB. Whatever that's worth. |
By advising them to not buy with their eyes but their ears. I've never had a $99 DAC what's that got to do with anything. |
No, I'm saying I have the Dutch and Dutch 8c. I considered the Kii 3. Hopefully the 8c will become roon ready at some point, they're working on it. You sir are an insufferable bore. I don't judge people on what they can afford. I'll try to help someone looking for a $99 DAC or a $55,000 one. |
Good idea nyaudio98 , if you get a chance listen to the Mola Mola to compare. If I had the money to waste that's probably the one I would buy, unless I bought the Kii 3 with the BXT stack. If you're in NY try Legendary Audio Pro and give them a listen and forget about DACs and amps. |
One thing you can't find on MSB website is measurements. They posted them at one time then removed them. |
That's correct I haven't the slightest idea what DAC I'm using if you know which DAC is used in Dutch and Dutch 8c's then you know more than me. I'm not sure what's used in the Kii 3 and I still would advise the OP to give them a listen with the BXT stack. |
Only if he heard a difference between DACs without knowing which was playing and could pick it out better than chance. Then it might be of some value otherwise it's useless info. |
Dow Jones: “I would be more than happy to get an education about this DAC. ”
I call your BS right there. This is equivalent to a Taliban asking to be educated on the virtues of Jesus Christ As you can see cal3713 this is how we begin the "education" on this DAC, and you wonder why people are leaving. |
My point was never people shouldn't buy what they like but could they consistently tell which one they were listening to. Could anyone tell the least expensive MSB from the most expensive? I assume to much , I know I couldn't I guess there are those who can. |
I do come to be educated. Give me my first lesson how was it determined that DAC X is better than DAC Y? |
I'm not an engineer but I do know a bit about the difference in design and implementation of MSB DACs and say Benchmark DACs. I understand building discrete R2R that will measure and sound great is an achievement in engineering and it's, at least to me, mesmerizing to look at the inside of them. But I still question the superiority as far as music reconstruction is concerned. The MSB may be a marvel of engineering but how much does it differ on the analog output from the Benchmark? In my opinion it isn't so much how we get the result as what is the result.
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