Mono record sounds like stereo


So I have been playing stereo records for 40 years.  I’ve recently acquired some Verve Japanese reissues. Listening to Metronome All stars tonight and there is clearly separation. I hear horns predominantly on the left and xylophone and drums on the right.  This is on an Ortofon SPU synergy stereo cartridge. Is this normal ?  I’m sorry.  I’m new to Mono.  I bought about 50 verve and Blue notes last week and got some monos on accident.  My system is balanced and the room has extensive treatment so I’m lost !   

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Showing 4 responses by elliottbnewcombjr

I learned about listening to Mono LP’s here.

1. Get thee a true Mono Cartridge. It makes a little, some, a lot of difference depending on the LP.

Mono picks up horizontal movement only. It will not pick up anything from the inadvertent vertical movement: slight warps, up and down from dust in the grooves, surface dust, scuffs that are small but make some vertical happen.

I sell LPs, and I advise mono lp buyers: slight scuffs are not too apparent using Mono Cartridge, retains an involving musical experience. Play same LP with Stereo cartridge, the noise from the slight scuffs is essentially doubled, hard to enjoy the music.

I have a vintage Mono LP, Chicago Jazz, late 28’s, early1930’s, includes some early Louis Armstrong and many others. Play with Stereo, it was like a history lesson, where’s Louis? I would never play it again.

Got mono cartridge, what a difference. Not imaging, but clear distinction of the various instruments, that’s a trombone, that’s a trumpet. There’s Louis. I play it for my friends, they get it right away.

2. MONO MODE if your preamp/amp has a choice. You still want to start with a Mono Cartridge.

3. Speakers ’Perfectly’ Balanced, Frequencies matched L to R. IF your ’speakers output’ are not perfectly balanced, or speakers perfect but the actual received frequencies ’in the space’ are not perfectly balanced a random slight stereo effect will occur, left speaker or side of the space emphasizing part of the frequencies of some instruments, right speaker likewise. Just unbalanced enough to give some imaging.

I have 2 L-Pads: ’presence’ to adjust the volume of the mid horn to the woofer and ’brilliance’ to adjust the tweeter to the mid horn. OMG is it hard to get it right. I use a SPL meter on a tripod, a test CD with 29 frequency bands, do some, take a break, do some more, sleep on it, finish in the morning. Get each balanced individually, then both playing revise things, then L to R balance.

Casandra Wilson’s (others) voice cannot move slightly off center in either direction as frequencies change.

4. Listen to only one speaker. This is how the early music was listened to. Eliminates item 3 above, and you can listen anywhere in the room, space, out on the porch, ... you get the idea. It is hard to turn off our search for imaging, listening from somewhere else takes that habit away.

5. Some Mono LPs are curiously partly stereo, some imaging does occur. Miles Davis, Sketches of Spain is an example of: Is this Mono or did they take Stereo and mix Mono? Those Castanets are definitely from over there! Part of the aural confusion:

"Some percussion instruments are tuned and can sound different notes, like the xylophone, timpani or piano, and some are untuned with no definite pitch, like the bass drum, cymbals or castanets."

I bought a new Sketches of Spain LP, random effects same as my old one.

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The better your system ’images’ in Stereo, the more it will reveal, some stereo effects, if Mono: when it reaches your ears, is not perfectly balanced

Essentially: get a mono cartridge, and if some stereo is distractingly apparent, turn one speaker off.

adrianleewelch OP

Definitely, without doubt, put the stereo cartridge on the long arm. Pick an arm with removable headshell if possible, gives you flexibility now and in the future.

Does your 9" have a removable headshell?

My 12.5" long arm is fixed cartridge, used for my MC cartridge. Only change it when worn.

My 9" has both removable headshell and extremely easy arm height adjustment, so it is most flexible. I  have several cartridges I alternate, MC, MM, and now an alternate Mono. And we play my friend's cartridges on it. SUT handles various MC impedances, and has Pass for MM.

I added a 3rd arm for mono, fixed. Limiting, but my 9" arm saves the day regarding flexibility.

My Grado Mono is elliptical, on the 3rd arm. I'm very happy with it. I'm not looking for perfection, or even 'best', just gaining the advantages of playing mono lps with a true mono cartridge.

https://gradolabs.com/cartridges/prestige-series-specialty-cartridges/item/79-mono-phono

I just had VAS put a new boron/shibata on an AT33PTG Mono Body. For modern Mono, Haven't used it yet. He played it at his shop, we all were impressed, no comparison here yet.

3 arms: MC, MM, Mono all ready to go in seconds in any listening session.

The compliance of the cartridge and the mass of the tonearm must ’avoid a problem’. https://www.ortofon.com/support/support-hifi/resonance-frequency/

Today’s equipment, I would simply put my existing stereo cartridge (likely high compliance) on my new long arm (likely not too heavy) and expect no problem.

Perhaps, before you buy it, pick an arm you want, tell the members here about it and your cartridge, get their help.

I just wanted to confirm if my AT-33 mono is MC as I bought it a long time ago

https://www.audio-technica.com/en-eu/cartridges/type/moving-coil/at33mono

this popped up, it happens to be my combo of MC Stereo and MC Mono

https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/viewtopic.php?t=101429

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Audio Technica AT33PTG/II and AT33 MONO

Post by omegabri » 10 Jan 2018 10:49

Hi guys

I've just finished putting my new Audio Technica AT33PTG/II and AT33 MONO MC cartridges on to two matching Pro-Ject aluminium Signature headshells, and setting them up on my turntable.
I've moved up from an AT440mlb MM cartridge. Having briefly listened to a mixture of lp's, using the new carts, I can say that I am extremely pleased!
The AT33PTG/II gives more positioning of instruments than the AT440mlb (which is still an outstanding cartridge). The sound stage portrayed by my speakers seems to have more depth, the response of the MC cart seems sharper, and draws out more detail.
The AT33 MONO is, to me, simply astonishing! I've never had a dedicated true mono cartridge before, and listening to mono now just blows my mind. Outstanding isn't a good enough term. I'm definitely looking forward to dragging all my mono lp's out now!

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Also mentioned above, I am using my old but nearly new AT-440ML on my Office TT. I used to alternate it with Shure's V15Vxmr, preferred the Shure due to it's damped brush (helped with my flexible flyer wood floors), and it's beryllium cantilever, until I looked sideways at the beryllium and it shattered.

AT's current version of the AT440 is the VM540ML, it is the one I recommend as a 'starter' upgrade MM Stereo cartridge, due to advanced stylus shape, tight channel balance 1.0 db, fairly wide channel separation 28db, fairly light tracking force 2.0g.

https://www.audio-technica.com/en-us/cartridges/type/moving-magnet/vm540ml