And subs are not on the table!
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@motokokusnagi;
Agree that ATC SCM19 would be great if I could use subs. Otherwise, no.
I said "ideally" re: 35HZ.-- I should have said "as deep as possible" or similar.
FYI, Elac Vela has port that fires back AND down.
I will look into Graham.
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motokokusanagi:
"I looked up the Vela. That’s a weirdass port solution. It’s using the bottom plane of the speaker effectively as a mini stand-cum-slotted vent....nobody else does this. And I’d be more skeptical than forgiving of if it doesn’t sound bad. Basically, this is going to sound even smaller and compressed than it already appears. Weird solution. I’d look at something else of higher quality".
No-- it's not a common design.
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I cannot use floor-standers due to furniture in living room.
Zu Druids might work but I do not have the $
Looking over specs, it looks to me like Grahams would require subs, for sure.
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Yes-- I already acknowledged that was expecting too much.
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@rocray:
I looked into Fyne before but couldn't find US dealers.
@akg_ca:
Most Harbeths seem more like floor-stander size on a half-height stand than typical monitors. I have severe placement restrictions due to furniture. And the room is not small, so I couldn't get away with their most petite models.
However, since we're on the topic of British monitors, a Proac Response D2 might be a possibility. I've contacted the distributor and asked for a list of US dealers. They're a bit more than my budget, but I could stretch.
Looks like front-ports may well be my best bet.
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@kren0006:
Got it. Thanks ! |
@ozzy62
"You do realize that a small floorstander will take up no more real estate than a monitor on a stand? And give you more of what you require too."
Hint: expand your thinking from two to three dimensions.
@twoleftears:
The title of this thread clearly indicates I need a monitor but I appreciate your willingness to be of assistance.
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motokokusanagi:
They're extremely hard to find used, unless one is looking for the pro audio versions. I'm awaiting a request to the US distributor to provide a list of US dealers.
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@soix:
You could be right. Please read my PM.
@tennisdoc:
From Northern CA? No.
@dynamiclinearity:
In fact, I asked Jeff about damping factor and he said amp was not to blame.
I do have 20' speaker cables, although they are doubled.
I could address this by moving components to another room and locating them on a rack. Components are currently on a massive built-in bookshelf unit on Symposium platforms and footers.
The speakers are positioned in the only place they will fit in the room, flanking a large tile and slate hearth containing a propane fireplace insert.
The hearth is not flush with back wall-- it sticks out 23" into the room.
The backs of speaker cabinets are 32" from back wall. The speakers protrude 12 " beyond face of hearth and distance from side of cabinets to hearth is 17". I have no-where else to put these.
Speakers arranged in equilateral triangle with listening chair (100" on all three sides).
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UPDATE:
I can now undertake a more generous upgrade, which significantly changes the picture.
I could address long speaker wire runs (see above response to dynamiclinearity)
I could upgrade DAC.
I found a shop in Seattle that carries various British speakers including ATC (but not Proac, alas) and offers a return policy-- really great news!
I'm communicating with Duke at Audiokinesis re: his Swarm sub array. as suggested by millercarbon.
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@ donvito and rocay:
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@twoleftears:
"I don't think you'll ever combine all your desiderata into one speaker."
I plan to use a sub array.
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@motokokusanagi:
Thanks for sticking around this long.
I can go with the ATC's, no problem.
What is your opinion re: the 20 foot speaker cable runs?
When Aqua updated the La Voce to S3, clarity was significantly enhanced. The
6moons S3 review describes the changes in detail. I can only assume they felt the S2 was lacking in this regard.
Your ongoing input is appreciated.
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@motokokusanagi:
Thanks for the info on speaker length.
As for room treatment, that's going to be tricky, given the system is in our living room.
But if there are alternatives to plastering walls and ceilings with panels, that could work.
I will look into the GIK material you've linked to.
Thanks!
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I meant, speaker cable length, of course... |
@jayctoy:
Do they offer returns? I don't buy gear I can't demo in my room. |
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motokokusanagi:
I will call them. |
Wrap-up:
Apparently Hawthorne Stereo in Seattle doesn't bother to keep their website updated. When I called them, they told me ATC's are "severely back-ordered".
Also, opinions re: whether Wells can drive ATC's are extremely inconsistent.
For these reasons, I'm inclined to go with Proac Response 2d instead.
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@motokokusanagi:
I've found a dealer who sell both Proac and ATC and am waiting to hear about availability.
BTW, he said it's a "myth" that ATC's are power hungry. I'll just have to use my ears to determine whether they'll work with my integrated.
Thanks to you and all who've contributed to this thread. I appreciate your input. I feel I have a clear sense of where I'm headed with the system, now.
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@tweak1:
I tried the less expensive model (I prefer a soft dome tweeter) and was underwhelmed, probably due to the fact that I have a fairly large space.
@audio0guru:
Not sure the Ushers would best the Silverlines but thanks.
@tweak1:
Thanks for the suggestion. During my recent "vacation" from audiogon, my wife surprised me by rearranging our living room furniture, so now, I'm no longer limited to using monitors.
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