Mitigating the Bubble
Today after many years of trials and tribulations I have mitigated a sonic aberration a horizontal phase anomaly in my center stage. While the center image was always stable and outlined it seemed narrow and bubble like and I would need to shift my body angle to really lock in the image. This was obvious on many CDs and LPs .
I have many man made fixes that helped the situation but never a total cure. Some of these are now permanent fixtures on the ceiling in 2 different locations. I made my own acoustic panels filled with long hair sheep's wool and 3 Argent Room Lenses. I have laminar flow lenses that focus and stabilize the image across the front stage. I have built and treated an acoustic fan that overcomes the boundaries with in my room by reducing interference. I have loaded my speaker cabinets 3 times with new drivers and now an outboard crossover. This was after my Essence 30s speakers and my Dunlavy SC4s. ..All my components are hard mounted and direct coupled to the floor...on rock solid racks and speaker stands, custom mono bloc amps each on their own stand. All of these devices and angles and positions made the image wider and more focused but I still had that little bubble and shift before me. Always less annoying with each new device and tweak.
So, your probably saying to yourself hurry up and get to the end. The end finally arrived today after having applied a contact enhancer 7 days ago to just 6 RCA ends out of many connections in my system. Today with a friend who has been here a hundred times sitting in the Chair playing the same music as usual he said there was a wider sweet spot. I despise that term but he said it and not me.What we both heard was a super stable center image that was a few feet wide and not just one. The bubble was gone. The head in the vise was gone. Off came the straight jacket and helmet. What I have now in this space intime is a glorious fully extended soundstage with all the meat on the bones and the features of talking heads on a real live performance stage.
I have probably used eight different contact enhancers over five decades but this one blows my mind. This product Nano Flo is the ultimate in transparency.
Tom
@theaudiotweak do you believe Chris has been forthright? Simple question.
As evidenced by the claims that the Nano-flo power cord beats “$3,500 power cords”, Nano-flo is explicitly claiming that a nano-flo treated $5 Home Depot power cord outperforms all other power cords up to that price. Do you believe Chris is being forthright in this claim? |
Do you mean the claims Krissy initially made? How would Chris know anything about audio efficacy (other than what someone told him) since Chris has no audio gear?
I've already said I take no issue with anyone using the now lime green gel on anything they desire. To me that's like accepting that freedom of or from religion is a peaceful and mutually respectful stance. This is your thread OP and I doubt anyone would have reacted any more than the usual contact enhancer threads. Then Chris chimed in.
Back to the power cord: Are you a candidate to purchase the Nano-Flo power cord? If so, why? If not, why not? Is it that you don't believe it beats all comers up to $3,500? Is it that you don't believe it works as advertised? Is it because of price? If it is because of price, at what price would you try it?
Lastly, you stated earlier in this thread that you had no business relationship with Nano-Flo, is that still the case? Have you received any accommodation whatsoever from Nano-Flo as this thread has evolved?
I guess I will just have to look for the guy with the white van in the parking lot at Axpona hawking hand-sanitizer-like gel with suspended nano particles...guaranteed to solve whatever the potential buyer might be subliminally thinking. You guys should be embarrassed... sheepish, about any association with Chris given the way he has handled this saga. I would cast a vote that the penalty for being complicit with Chris in any form would be a sentence that you could ONLY use the amazing Nano-Flo power cord on all of your gear for all of eternity. That'll show ya!
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@theaudiotweak I'm not saying you did or did not betray Krissy...I haven't any idea. I'm just saying I get the idea from the various posts in this thread that Chris wouldn't have clue one about what the "contact enhancer" would or would not do for an audio system unless someone told him. He had no hands on experience evidently and admitted by him, he has no audio gear other than the factory radio which came in his Lexus.
You've been asked if you believe Nano-Flo Chris has been forthright. You have danced around the answer. You've been asked if you believe the power cord claims to be accurate. You have danced around the answer.
Chris posted a quick fly-by comment that resembles someone off their meds. He hasn't answered valid questions for measured efficacy, something he committed to do, about the power cord and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, what little credibility he had as a non-known entity hasn't received any objective boost by his behavior and avoidance of the questions.
He may be sitting on the edge of a swing bridge somewhere, comfortable in the fact that he doesn't owe me or anyone else any explanation or data about anything. He would be correct in that conclusion. I believe he is here on Audiogon having joined in just the last several days, trying to earn a fast-buck on unsubstantiated assertions. I don't take issue with someone who buys the power cord or the "contact enhancer" or even the off the shelf fuses smeared with the gel. Its all good. In fact, he at least seems to be learning from this demolition derby exercise: the reason he will remove the gel from the market probably has more to do with the fact that some are prepared to pay considerable sums for a treated fuse with less pushback than selling enough gel to treat a case of fuses. I also predict version 3.0 of the power cord will be out before he has shipped version 1 or version 2 to any actual paying customers. |
Tom, would it be fair to say from your point of view that the contact enhancer is a positive addition to your listening pleasure and that the power cord might be a "bridge too far" and you won't be trying it?
@whitefishpoint1175 Not spending alot of energy on this but it does help distract from thoughts of over-snacking, which itself took the place of nicotine many, many years ago. |
I recognize that I have been hard on the NanoFlo dude, mainly because of his power cord medicine show, but could it be that the contact enhancer that many of you believe improves your systems…could it be that rather than the hyposthesis that it is filling in micro pits in the surface it may instead be the abrasive is actually “roughing up” the surfaces. I could almost believe that the two imperfect conductor surfaces roughed up microscopically might randomly aid in certain connections.
Since no one, especially the manufacturer, has an explanation…its all guesswork. The power cord is still highly suspect. Has anyone “bought one”? |
@glory it’s too bad but I have a sincere question for you. You would NEVER do business in this way in any other part of your life so why did you in hifi? Chris is thr proverbial guy in the white van and you didn’t bother researching him further for a $4.5k purchase?
Something is also amiss because if I dispute a charge on my card, it happens instantly. |
I brought up in the now deleted thread that about the magical power cable review that Chris/nano-flo had no track record in hifi, had questionable dealings with others and that extreme caution should be taken. @glory if you ever get your money back you will be lucky.
I said it then and I’ll say it now…you guys should be ashamed. @mikeg your Stereo Times review and Most Wanted Product rating now acts as a defacto endorsement of a potentially unethical enterprise. While Im sur that isnt your intent, leaving that review up erodes your credibility. How unfortunate. |
You are off to a great start, a very public spat with what has to be one of the few who actually paid for your cable on offer and your cavalier and flippant attitude toward a paying customer is….unsurprising to many. This is a very small, very niche market and even on the outside chance more of your cables are sold, you are allowing the damage to be done. To many, that’s actually good news…that you are choosing to shoot yourself in the foot rather than to do the right thing and refund a returned “product”. Maybe you should have just jumped straight to the NFT trading card business…maybe NFT cables are next up in your business plan? |
Reading between the lines, it seems the Vaseline like "goop" wears off after only a few uses? That seems rather shoddy, however, par for the Nano-Flo course it seems. Does he even need a reason to want to return them? What does money-back guarantee mean to you?
You should just refund his money and go back to hiding in the shadows, hoping that a few people here and there read up on your poor ethical practices but choose to buy anyway. Its truly a shame that all of those who have been shilling for you don’t chime in and at least convince you that its good business to NOT be the headline subject of these threads. I for one though am thankful that your greed is exceeded only by your arrogance...these threads are like a moth to flame for you and you can’t resist posting sophmore level snark. It just shows who you are.
I’m going to take a flyer and guess that your products don’t have Cardas, Shunyata, Synergistic nor Audioquest burning the midnight oil for fear of market erosion. |
@glory You may stand a better chance of getting your refund if you let the others on this thread and on Audiogon bring attention to your plight. Its your money but @nano-flo may lean to the spiteful side of the bleachers so allow him to get frustrated at someone like me or @jerryg123
You bought a cable similar to a $10 Home Depot power cord, smeared with a Vaseline like substance at a four figure price from someone you didnt know. You might want to try the humble pie and hope that Chris wants this all to go radio silent again.
If anyone is reading this post AND you are considering this "product", just scroll down and if you DON'T see a post from @glory communicating that he received his money back, proceed at your own risk. In fact, proceed at your own risk either way. |
@nano-flo Why would I want to read the instructions? I haven't suffered a catastrophic brain injury, therefore, I'm not a candidate to do business with you. Your product claims are one thing...that is subjective and an arms length transaction between you and the potential victim. If everyone goes in eyes wide open, its all good. You offer money back guarantee and then don't follow through. You should be ashamed and its unlikely you will sell any more when people see this thread.
If, as you say, the end user is only allowed to plug it in once or the "magic" is gone then what happens if the end user moves their system? Or chooses to rearrange the room? Do you reapply the magic potion for free or is your cable as it is, a single use item? I'm so sorry that there are trusting audiophiles that chose to trust you...as you don't appear to keep your word.
You should refund @glory his money and at least you could then fleece the willing going forward. You and your team should be ashamed. |
Chris, I certainly don’t mean to come off as if I know everything and I hope no one objective thinks that. I do know unscrupulous, flippant and unethical when I see it.
You never answer questions when posed and when you make a commitment to post objective test results, you never follow through. How is an unwitting purchaser of your innovative (cough, cough) power cord supposed to use it a second time? Does one just slather some more Vaseline on?
Seriously Chris, you are coming off at best as completely short sighted and unethical and I can sure see how some might arrive at a far worse conclusion about your character. You should refund the money as you offered the money back guarantee. Until you do, you sure do come off as …. Formerly in the business of vaseline covered off the shelf power cables priced to insult those intelligent enough to know better.
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@glory may have purchased the “original” version which was literally a $5 or $10 that anyone can buy from Home Depot or True Value Hardware freeby type sealed/molded power cord with the the Nano-Vaseline juice applied at the ends. Anyway, its way above our heads this amazing technology. It takes someone like Chris, with no hifi experience and no hi end rig to develop something like this. At least I know there is a place for those who fail at selling aluminum siding or pet insurance.
Careful who you endorse @theaudiotweak and mikeg. Character matters. Chris has failed to show any thus far but the day is young. |
mikeg
Good morning Nano Chris, I hope you woke up today and decided to honor your money back guarantee for the cables @glory purchased from and returned to you. Until glory posts that you processed his rightful refund, I and others will post each day to bring attention to your poor behavior. I’ll pose a few more questions which you will likely not answer: have there been other returns where you honored you money back guarantee?
@glory did you pay by paypal? Credit card? Have you filed a dispute? |
Is this practice that you recommended earlier in the thread the reason @glory can’t get his refund. Chris, is your cable a single use cable or is “driving the nano in” no longer your tried and true method?
To be quite honest, I can’t believe this community didn’t read the original drivel and claims and laugh you out of the forum. It’s now painfully obvious you were trying to behave like a fly by night fast buck carnival huckster only now there are real people being damaged by your poor business ethics on display. Maybe with the money you don’t refund you can lube a bridge or make a top fuel dragster exceed the speed of light.
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I can only imagine the reaction from real scientists, physicists and engineers. LOL.
@nano-flo are you up yet processing refunds or are you channeling the late John McAfee for guidance? |
Strange how silent the Nano-Flo fanboys are being. I’m willing to suspend disbelief and posit that the Vaseline goop achieves their individual sonic goals but I can’t believe how they stand by and remain quiet while a product they championed is an ethical trap for any potential customer. Absolute silence. How unfortunate. Situational character and ethics on full display here and yet, the glowing infomercial remains up on Stereo Times. File that one away too folks.
At least Stereo Times could add a footnote that speaks to…. “Do not count on the money back guarantee that might seem to make this a risk free proposition. You are counting on the ethics of the vendor which can be notoriously unreliable with companies that are either unwilling to honor their word or worse, are financially not viable from the start. As a data point, we didn’t have to pay bupkiss for the products we featured in this shameful infomercial and, in fact, we receive free products and sometimes other monetary and non-monetary consideration. Please don’t think less of us for doing so!”
Read this in the latest Absolute Sound where the author somewhat explains what may be happening in reviews.
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Among the numerous reputable international firms you mention, one jumps out. Timken is the worlwide leader in precision bearings. How on earth do they stay in business without integrating Nano-Flo? LOL.
Chris, the house is on fire…don’t you think you should refund @glory and return to more fertile pastures like the drag strip or truck stop lube operations? |
I don’t have a horse in this race nor does @jerryg123 but the smugness on display by @nano-flo and his ethical challenges merits outrage from the Audiogon community. His handlers deserve some ire as well although they are quietly in the background. Chris hasn’t built one single cable, he doesn’t have the skill. So, who has? Who tweaked him by suggesting hey, instead of bottling your worthless Vaseline gel, lets tie it to a product for the gullable (sorry @glory no intent to denigrate) and fleece them out of some real cash. Chris being who he seemingly is thought PAYDAY! If he had some brains and desire to keep his charade perpetual, he wouldn’t have spent any of the $$$ and anticipated this kind of circustance and promptly refunded glory’s money. That keeps the next set of potential victims in line for their chance at mystical Vaseline enlightenment.
I guarantee that the actual builder of the latest power cable is sitting quietly somewhere eating Cheetos (pun intended) anxiously watching this saga unfold. Each minute that passes without Chris refunding Glory is another second toward his house of cards collapsing. Once again, why aren’t ANY of the Nano-fanboys chiming in. I could at least respect them if they said something like “I have the Nano-Flo in a bottle, it works for me but Chris should do the right thing”. Same goes for Stero Times…where is their character??? |
Chris, if you've already spent Glory's money, at least man up and make payments. Maybe you can get an advance on your credit card. Jokes aside, this whole episode will cost you more than if you had just been honorable in your dealings. Its one thing to sell a mysterious elixir that may or may not provide value to those inclined to buy, its another entirely to not honor the money back guarantee you provided.
Chris, you do realize that threads like this live on forever on the internet right? The only time that shouldn't cause you to pause and rethink your apparent lack of strategy is if this was your final attempt to pull off something like this. Refund Glory's money and those others who have requested same. Glory just happens to belong to an active hobbyist community and forums like these can prove invaluable, both good to the potential consumer and bad to the occasional bad actor.
Think about it, anyone who Googles Nano-Flo, Chris Arnold and Enterprise Coatings this thread (and others) will pop up. They will either see that a misunderstanding was handled or they will see that it wasn't. The ball is in your court. |
You made a mistake in this process, you trusted someone unworthy of your trust. Your best course of action is to dispute the charge and the transaction with EBAY, Paypal and your credit card provider.
Chris has visions of grandeur and an inflated sense of self. He won’t be backing down unless its painful. Even then, he may not because he is doubling down on his vision...whatever it may be. Explore legal remedies, take snapshots of his webpage and any communications he may have sent or been a party to. The same goes for texts and forum posts. Its highly likely he may have committed some variation of fraud. He has certainly breached the contract, your job is to ensure you have done what was required of you in the transaction. You may have other remedies as well through EBAY in addition through your local consumer protection agency. Depending on how vindictive you want to get, did he charge you sales tax and does your state require it? Most do so it might be interesting to get his name on their radar.
Chris, I would be curious how you contacted Gov Abbot and for what purpose a "$10mm service contract" would be offered. Was there an RFP to which you responded or does your product cure the power grid of shortcomings? I can see how Musk might have been distracted but I am shocked that Bezos didn’t do a deal with you!
To anyone considering doing business with Chris Arnold, Nano-Flo or Enterprise Coatings, please read this thread starting about page 12. If you proceed, you are doing so at your own risk. Stick a fork in this one... Nano-Flo is an ethically challenged money trap. |
This is an absolute, Vaseline filled clown car of a "business venture". In 24 hours you managed to take something shady but still able to operate on the periphery into a radioactive, probably wont sell another cable kind of "enterprise". Thats good for those who might have made the mistake of clicking buy it now. Simply amazing.
Here’s another simple question Chris that you will never answer: Who, besides you, has a vested interest in the selling and marketing of these $10 cables?
Are you going to refund @glory ? Courts tend to frown on those who try to change the terms of an agreement after an agreement was already made. |
@nano-flo you may or may not ever sell another cable…people fall off of turnip trucks every day. Have you refunded Glory any of his money? |
@glory thought you were going to exercise radio silence. |
@thespeakerdude LOL.
I’m not about to smear Vaseline with a fine abrasive suspended in it into my wall, my power conditioner and certainly not any of my gear. Others say they hear improvements, others think its utter BS. I dont care one way or the other but I despise unscrupulous actors. He may think Im going to go away or get tired. Zero chance and I think @jerryg123 is probably in the same camp. |
I am not in the audio undustry. I use reasonable cables, i just dont drink the coolaid. Maybe I just cant hear the effects of power cords above a certain level or maybe the power supply in my $30k amp doesnt need the help, who knows.
You are so disconnected that you think this is about me not believing your super unobtanium doesnt work. This is about you being unethical to a long time Audiogon member. I’m not saying your product isnt effective. If you read back in my posts I’ve made fun of you and your product because you simply don’t know if your product does anything but you are taking a flyer trying to monetize it. You cant say what it does because you dont have a clue. It categorically cant enhance conductivity unless the contacts needed a little nano sanding.
If you have an ounce of character you would give @glory his rightful refund, until then, the barrage will continue. If we cost you just a few potential victims per week, that adds up. |
Hit the note? I will pump the brakes when you refund @glory .
Until then, I will carve out time on a daily basis to keep your unethical behavior at the top of the most read threads on Audiogon. If I get tired, others will pick up the slack.
There won’t be anyone in the active audio community who won’t be aware of your unethical practices and you won’t sell alot of your shyte cables to the Epson printer crowd. Its your call, its your decision…and most of us are having fun bantering with and making fun of you and you seem to be the only one who doesn’t realize how bad you are coming off. |
@holmz LOL…brusk, brusque or brisk… @thecarpathian well said. +1,000
@nano-flo rise and shine…this day carries with it the opportunity for you to reclaim your integrity. It isn’t difficult, you just have to decide you want to be better. It starts with keeping your word and refunding to @glory his money. I did a quick google and lo and behold, a record of your lack of follow through is emerging. There is still time for you to act but the window is closing. |
@nano-flo as you are discovering, the path you are choosing is MUCH more difficult to navigate than simply honoring your word. I know Ebay well enough that you will either end up refunding @glory or the user NANOLUBE will lose his ability to sell on that platform. Paypal same outcome.
Why do you insist on blatantly doing something so unkind and unethical? Please don’t be offended that several here declined to accept your cables for free. In my case, it has nothing to do with whether I believe your products are pleasing to some. It is completely in the camp of until you show positive character and a moral compass I dont want anything to do with Chris Arnold, Enterprise Coatings or Nano-Flo.
You have it in your power to fix this mess and most of us will go back to our regularly scheduled programming. We all have better things to do. |
Any chance that @nano-flo refunded your money once he realized he had mistaken you for someone else?
It sure doesn't reflect well for the future of Nanoflo if they can't even afford to refund those who choose to return their cables within their 30-day money back guarantee period.
Anyone considering a purchase should do their due diligence to ensure if the risk is worth it. |
Glory’s best remedy is still through Ebay and Paypal and his credit card company.
Our best remedy as fellow audio enthusiasts is to ensure that Chris Arnold and Nano-Flo are radioactive when it comes to fleecing any more of our fellow audiophiles. I will hold out hope that Chris is working through something personal and will eventually do the right thing.
Regarding legal remedies, is it theft or is it fraud? I have three different law firms on auto dial but if they answer the telephone its an automatic $500 and the clock starts ticking by the quarter hour. I'm not that curious LOL. |
I was away from the computer for a few hours and I missed a scrum.
@nano-flo take a deep breath. Think back to all the times in your life when you dug in on a tenuous position. We’ve all done it, we’ve all learned from it. You may not like refunding the money, but that was the deal you made…satisfaction guaranteed or your money back.
All the Audiogon community has done here is rally around a trusted fellow member @glory with years of positive feedback. Even though I am not a candidate for your products as Ive consistently maintained, I dont wish you ill will. Frankly speaking, if you talk to any lawyer they will look at the facts here and politely decline to get involved UNLESS you pay as you go. I wish I didn’t know what I’m talking about but even if you have a case, you are $50,000 to get to discovery. Between $100-$150,000 to get through discovery and don’t think the average opposing counsel won’t ask for EVERYTHING in discovery. That means you will have to provide all business records of Enterprise Coatings since that is where the cables are being hosted and sold, besides Ebay. Venue is also an interesting challenge. When your deposition is being shown to a jury of average Americans, they may struggle to understand how you gained cable expertise from scratch in addition to proving true all of your claims.
The bad news? Its difficult to prove intent, even if there were inaaccurate statements made and the worst news of all? Its next to impossible to win a fee shift to the other party.
@glory may or may not have a claim through Ebay as well as other avenues. Thats for him to determine. Once again, this whole mess seems to be the result of you wanting to punish a buyer who simply wanted a refund as your original Ebay ad offered seemingly without restrictions. Last but not least, when listing on Ebay you basically sign all of your rights away, ceding that to the sole discretion of Ebay.
Best wishes while you ponder the best course of action. You know what the right thing to do is… |
@glory A question...you did purchase through Ebay correct?
If so, be sure that you communicate to Nanoflo only through the Ebay messaging system. Send a message every day that you are requesting a refund and return per the original listing. Ensure that you are following the Ebay rules to request a refund and return to the letter. Be sure to let Ebay customer service know that you are trying to return as the ad stated in the right way and do so multiple times prior to the 30 days running out.
Nanoflo has a contractual obligation with Ebay. In addition to a contractual obligation with you. Ebay is "judge, jury and executioner" so to speak with their relationship with Nanoflo as well as the relationship between you and Ebay. What they say and do is final. |
Good morning. It’s another new day and with it comes the unique opportunity to be better than we were yesterday. We each make a choice every morning and there are only three choices: to be better, to be the same or to be less than what we can be. It can be fun Chris, to stretch and change. I hope today is that day for you and that you finally choose to honor the money back guarantee that your original Ebay ad listed, under which @glory weighed his options and purchased from you.
While I doubt today will be much different than yesterday, the Audiogon community sticks together and helps one another push the hobby forward. You either have the option to join in the fun or remain on the outside looking in…its more fun to be in the former group rather than the latter group. Think about what you are doing and ask yourself if its how you’d like to be treated.
Make today the day Chris…the day where you admit that you made an error in judgement and today you rectified it. |
First of all this morning, I want to thank Tammy/Audiogon for allowing these posts to remain up. Its important for our hobby and fellow hobbyists to understand there is a “vendor” out there not honoring their money back guarantee. To date Nanoflo has not refunded @glory ’s money for his purchase and subsequent return of Nanoflo’s power cables.
Everyone, please do your due diligence before making purchases, not all “vendors” honor their word. Of course, Glory thought that buying a hyped product via Ebay offered him some protection, which I believe will be the case in the end but Nanoflo’s reluctance to honor his money back offer is troubling. |
Such a shame that you find yourself in an untenable position. You can still do the right thing and feel good about the outcome. With ebay involved, its inevtiable that you will be refunding @glory You are choosing between your cable company dream ending right here or being able to save face and claiming an unfortunate misunderstanding. Every choice to get to now has been yours. Think about what you are doing. |
A Happy Christmas eve to you. Is this the day that you think about right and wrong, that you you think about how you might like to be treated if you were on the receiving end of the egregious treatment to which you are subjecting @glory ?
You are either unwilling to honor your money back return guarantee or you are unable. If you are unwilling, you should be ashamed and rectify this situation immediately. If you are unable for financial reasons then that is a different conversation but nonetheless a conversation that should be taking place.
If you are unwilling then I truly hope that the audio community takes note and with SO MANY power cable choices on the market, that they choose an option from an ethical company and an ethical person.
If you are unable to repay your obligation, then you should make arrangements to pay @glory back for your failure to honor your guarantee. No one forced you to offer the money back return guarantee, you did it as a way to entice potential buyers. If you spent the money, paid a medical bill, bought Christmas presents for an orphanage…whatever you did with the money, there is no escaping your obligation.
POTENTIAL NANOFLO CABLE BUYERS, do your due diligence. Chris Arnold and NANOFLO isn’t honoring his word.
To those who have touted Nanoflo, are you proud of Mr. Arnold’s conduct? |
